Mark Mothersbaugh on Classic Hardware vs Software Emulations

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How 'Rugrats' Composer Mark Mothersbaugh Creates Scores | Pitchfork

[Seafire Mk2]

What you really mean is than an AI wrote a song for you that you didn't write, that you tweaked a bit using presets on plugins you didn't design, and some DJs half a world away played an AIs song while you took credit for it. Wow you must be very proud about that and shockingly think anyone should care, and now you are mastering an entire album of AI created music

I can't imagine the emptiness and humiliation I would feel knowing that an AI made music for me and I released it to the world as my own work. That's really no different than Milli Vanilli releasing an album they didn't work on, winning a Grammy, and then having to give it back

If you however want to release AI music as your own awesome. I wonder how many DJs and club owners in Germany know they are playing AI generated music, and how many paying customers of those clubs know?

You have also openly bragged multiple times in this thread how you distribute music through Bandcamp how it's your #1 website Yet Bandcamp has a strict No AI Policy

https://blog.bandcamp.com/2026/01/13/ke ... amp-human/

Don't be surprised if one day you are booted from the service if they find out. I won't tell them BTW as I am not that kind of guy, you do have plenty of enemies you have personally attacked here on KVR who might however

I do know they recently removed the entire Cryochamber Label's catalog because they mistakenly thought it was AI and they had a difficult time getting it out back on

In this thread you have repeatedly said that people who don't make music with AI, and who's personal goals are not to have a few DJs in a few clubs in Germany play AI generated music we are passing on as our own, are wasting money and somehow wrong because they make different music, in a different way, with different tools than you do. Again awesome

Didn't he say he used AI to help write lyrics. Pretty sure it's not used for full songs, as most of the music is written by SiK iirc

No he uses AI for far more than that, he even uses AI for vocals. It's absolutely AI created content including music and lyrics performed by AI for example

The AI does some of our vocals, both lead and backing, on stage. There will also be plenty of AI instrumental backing on stage, too. Of course, I also record backing vox to use on stage for some older songs and most of the music is sequenced, so it's not all AI, but there will be plenty of it to be heard at future gigs.

So go see him "perform" live and you will be treated to prerecorded AI generated tracks and even prerecorded AI generated vocals

When I play out live everything you hear is being played live by actual human beings

There is no better feeling for me than playing music live in front of an audience

Out of interest, what sort of music?

Sure I play live solo piano usually a mixture of classical and contemporary basically whatever the client wants as they are the ones writing the check

I also play in two cover bands, one that is more of a 1980s pop/top 40 band, and the other that is more of a classic rock band with songs from the 60s-90s. Both bands have a majority of the same members but we do have different singers

I also have good working relationships with several studios in the Middle Atlantic Region of America and get hired from time to time to come in and play as a ghost performer on other people's records, usually piano

None of that is very sexy of course, and I am not saying it is, but I have fun and it's pays the bills well enough that I don't have to have a day job

So you both have something in common then, you both play other people's music

I saw novakill live in 2005 I think. Very good it was too. Must dig out those photos

[IvyBirds]

No he uses AI for far more than that, he even uses AI for vocals. It's absolutely AI created content including music and lyrics performed by AI for example

And you use other songwriters work for your performances. Thanks to others hard work you can pay the bills. You didn't write any of the songs you perform in your cover bands. Not one. How much do you pay for licensing?

I see you don't understand how music licensing works

In America, Canada, and Europe anyway it's the venues responsibility not the band to pay any royalties. Venues obtain blanket performing licences for public performance of music in their venues. This also includes any music they play from jukeboxes or DJs

https://www.askamusiclawyer.com/archive ... enues.html

Also our audience knows we didn't write the music we perform. We are in no way passing off the work of others as our own. Every note and sound they hear is also coming directly from real musicians being played live. None of anything we do is AI generated, sequenced in anyway, or on prerecorded tracks

So go see him "perform" live and you will be treated to prerecorded AI generated tracks and even prerecorded AI generated vocals

When I play out live everything you hear is being played live by actual human beings

You do realize that a lot of pro artists and bands play live to prerecorded music? ELO, KISS, MADONNA to name a few.

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

[stoopicus]

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

So not a fan of sequencers either then?

[IvyBirds]

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

So not a fan of sequencers either then?

Not for live use by rock/pop bands absolutely not. It's no different than prerecorded tracks, especially if you are selling expensive tickets in arena tours

For someone like Tangerine Dream playing Berlin School on stage back in the day sure as they were using the sequencer as an instrument

In the studio as part of the songwriting and recording process sure they are a handy tool

[concealed identity]

Bones and Ivy have WAY more in common than they have differences.

Really they should just get a room

I think we're all in it.

[stoopicus]

Bones and Ivy have WAY more in common than they have differences.

Really they should just get a room

I think we're all in it.

eww

[stoopicus]

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

So not a fan of sequencers either then?

Not for live use by rock/pop bands absolutely not. It's no different than prerecorded tracks, especially if you are selling expensive tickets in arena tours

For someone like Tangerine Dream playing Berlin School on stage back in the day sure as they were using the sequencer as an instrument

In the studio as part of the songwriting and recording process sure they are a handy tool

You realize this makes no sense right? Many and likely most '80s pop and new wave bands used them on stage and in studio with their original music.

Or did you think bands like Depeche Mode and New Order were playing their synth basslines by hand on stage? Let me assure you they were not

[concealed identity]

Bones and Ivy have WAY more in common than they have differences.

Really they should just get a room

I think we're all in it.

eww

Also, it's a sauna

[Seafire Mk2]

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

So not a fan of sequencers either then?

Not for live use by rock/pop bands absolutely not. It's no different than prerecorded tracks, especially if you are selling expensive tickets in arena tours

For someone like Tangerine Dream playing Berlin School on stage back in the day sure as they were using the sequencer as an instrument

In the studio as part of the songwriting and recording process sure they are a handy tool

People pay for the music, not how it was made

[dieterlaser]

I wish all you guys would be locked in this thread forever. would make this forum so much better

I'm quite new, and was wondering why there was so much negativity on here. Now I know

There is not a single comment I could get behind, even though some of you think they have different opinions from each other

[concealed identity]

There is not a single comment I could get behind

Even the one about this thread being a thick, musty erotic sauna??

[stoopicus]

I wish all you guys would be locked in this thread forever. would make this forum so much better

Honestly it would be for the best.

But now you're here too, in what the boomers would call the KVR Hotel California

[IvyBirds]

Sure and I am 100% against it and think it's unethical when anyone does it

So not a fan of sequencers either then?

Not for live use by rock/pop bands absolutely not. It's no different than prerecorded tracks, especially if you are selling expensive tickets in arena tours

For someone like Tangerine Dream playing Berlin School on stage back in the day sure as they were using the sequencer as an instrument

In the studio as part of the songwriting and recording process sure they are a handy tool

You realize this makes no sense right? Many and likely most '80s pop and new wave bands used them on stage and in studio with their original music.

Or did you think bands like Depeche Mode and New Order were playing their synth basslines by hand on stage? Let me assure you they were not

I was asked a question and answered it. It's just one man's opinion, but one that makes perfect sense

I think bands like Depeche Mode and New Order if they used sequencers for basslines on stage were being unethical

New Order has a bass player and a really good one named Peter Hook, so did Depeche Mode in Andy Fletcher

So anyone who paid money to see them play live would have expected them to play all of the instruments live, and if they couldn't pull it off they had the financial resources from ticket sales to hire someone who could and be a part of their touring band

[stoopicus]

Yes, and if you knew anything about Hooky, you would know that his basslines were actually the lead parts of their songs and the bass was usually a synth.

And if you knew anything about Wilder you would know he was very meticulous about sequencing