Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[Ingonator]

Don't know what the fuss is about for 67 pages.
Saurus is not DIVA. Saurus is nice for what it is, not really Analog but sounds good enough for me to consider a purchase. "Analog circuit modeled [bla bla]" its just the latest shizizzle talk kids talk these days.. nothing to take serious..

Comparing to several other comments i try to provide some facts like my measurements or ("experiments") above and my demo comparisons (first 2 demos).

As i explained in my post above i tried to compare samples/single cycles (of the Sawtooth) of both Diva and Saurus inside Synthmaster and found that with boosting the frequency around 110 Hz (using an EQ) you could get a very similar result.

I just checked the same with Saurus itself (with the Saw waveform) using the Stillwell VibeEQ and boosting the frequency at 110 Hz (Low Shelf) which really seems to improve the sound or better the Low end of the sound.

I tried to get the same result using the "Tone" knob in the Saurus OSc section but this does not provide the same result.


Ingo

[himalaya]

At himalaya, that last demo almost pierce my eardrum. Grrrr.

Which one?

the high resonance demo. ouch.

This one?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

[LeVzi]

Would be nice for people to judge the synth on the synth alone, and give up on the endless comparisons, as we all bias plays the biggest part here.

Saurus is an excellent synth, that offers a great deal, you draw your own conclusions on how it would suit you.

[hakey]

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

Doesn't sound bad to me - certainly not in an "ouch" way.

[hakey]

Don't know what the fuss is about for 67 pages.

The gap between the devs hyperbolic claims and the more prosaic reality, combined with the various gratuitous sly digs at the expense of their competitors?

[dalor]

Ingo I wasn't attacking you and I'm grateful for your contributions.
I have a buch of plugins that cost more, sound mediocre and take heaps more CPU.

[ariston]

Would be nice for people to judge the synth on the synth alone, and give up on the endless comparisons, as we all bias plays the biggest part here.

So you're suggesting we hit ourselves on the head with a hammer in order to forget all our former experiences with other synths? Besides, it was Tone2 themselves, insinuating that their product is somehow better than their competitors' efforts:

However the products of most competitors are at best mere approximations of what happens in the real world.

If you're going to talk this kind of talk, you'd better be prepared to walk the walk. And Saurus is, in my proudly and firmly biased opinion, squarely placed in the "mere approximations" category.

I might buy it anyway, just to show there are no hard feelings.

[filter303]

Saurus might not be Diva. But Tone2 has made the claims that this is an authentic analog emulation. It makes perfectly sense that it's being compared to a synth that most people agree of being the most authentic analog emulation in the existence.


"The circuits of several famous synthesizers have been measured, analyzed and carefully modeled"

What synths are they? If they sound anything like this, I would like to know so I can avoid ever buying them. FM, drive, extreme resonance and filter feedback sound so bad that I find it unbelievable that they are modelled from classic synthesizers.

I feel a bit sad to say this but somehow I really expected Saurus to be more than what it is. I wish that they didn't make such a big noise of Saurus having a "True Analog Modeling Technology". Perhaps then I could see this product for what it really is: Just another VA.

This thread is a textbook example of how not to release products. Huge amounts of hype even before the product is even complete.

[dalor]

Don't know what the fuss is about for 67 pages.

The gap between the devs hyperbolic claims and the more prosaic reality, combined with the various gratuitous sly digs at the expense of their competitors?

Hehe fair enough then. Seems like my brain filters marketing talk out so I'm never really upset when a product doesn't deliver as advertised. When I read the announcement of Saurus for the first time all I remembered was "Interesting, might check it out"

[filter303]

Seems like my brain filters marketing talk out so I'm never really upset when a product doesn't deliver as advertised.

You have good brains... Give them to me!

[Sendy]

Seems like my brain filters marketing talk out so I'm never really upset when a product doesn't deliver as advertised.

Mmm, a brain filter... That's gotta be 100% analog

Defnitely a highpass too, since it filters out the "low blows" and marketing rumble and rises above it.

[LeVzi]

Would be nice for people to judge the synth on the synth alone, and give up on the endless comparisons, as we all bias plays the biggest part here.

So you're suggesting we hit ourselves on the head with a hammer in order to forget all our former experiences with other synths? Besides, it was Tone2 themselves, insinuating that their product is somehow better than their competitors' efforts:

However the products of most competitors are at best mere approximations of what happens in the real world.

If you're going to talk this kind of talk, you'd better be prepared to walk the walk. And Saurus is, in my proudly and firmly biased opinion, squarely placed in the "mere approximations" category.

I might buy it anyway, just to show there are no hard feelings.

Strange as it ticks the boxes of analogue gear here, but then maybe we are checking for different analogue sounds.

I missed the word know out in my last post, so here it is

know

[mellotronaut]

the terminus 'Analog' has like 'Titanic Tits', 'Eternal Health', 'Penis Dimension' or 'Orgasm' an integrated "buy-now"-button in our daily life.

[izonin]

How to make KVRers shit all over your product? Give away your synth, BUT only to a few of them.

[himalaya]

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

Doesn't sound bad to me - certainly not in an "ouch" way.

Doesn't sound bad, but doesn't sound good?
That is an example of a real analogue vintage synth, the Roland SH-2, which has a very sweet filter. And yet it sounds harsh to some! If a classic vintage filter sounds harsh, then there is surely no hope for software filters?

I posted a clip asking for people's opinion how it sounds to them (in relation to another 'Saurus vs Diva' demo) as some people have stated in this thread that Saurus does not sound 'analog' (whatever it means) and that it sounds harsh, digital, and that it is a mistake to even think of Saurus being good at analog emulation, etc. So this clip was judged to be Saurus;

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... b-mono.wav

But this is Roland SH2 again.

Hakey, you even claimed that it is two separate clips:

First part Saurus, second part Model D?

then you said:

The two halves sound different. The first has a more pronounced chirping noise in the attack - has it been compressed?

This is one sound from the Sh2, very, very slightly detuned. What you hear is the detune affecting the sound slowly moving as I play. So in the second part the detune has a greater effect, then in the first part - but there is no other difference in the sound. The same timbre and everything else (I actually didn't plan for the detune to behave like that, but it did!) And yet you judge it to be two separate synths, Surus and Model D. Which I find intersting, since if the second part is deemed to be the Model D, and the first Saurus - and yet it's all one sound - then Saurus ain't bad at all! Don't you think so?

What I'm saying is - there are way too many assumptions expressed. I see that some people appear to not have any experience of real analog synths, and yet are quick to say what is or isn't analog.

I'm also NOT saying that Saurus is the perfect analog emulation. In fact each analog modeled soft synth I used properly has certain deficiencies in some areas (and Saurus in so exception). But taken as a whole, with careful editing, real sounding analog sounds can be obtained from these latest modeled VA's.

Haven't demo'd myself yet but judging purely from the demo sounds, I can't hear nothing analog whatsoever. The filters are a dead giveaway.
It doesn't mean it's a bad synth overall, just wrongly labelled. Just my 2c.

Try this. How does this one sound?
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... _Sweep.wav

Veerryy nice! I thought you tricked me using some real VA synth, so I downloaded the demo just because of your clip. I must say the demo sounds don't do justice. I'm evaluating further but so far the sound is much better than I expected. Thanks for your clip!

At least that SH2 clip has made you re-valuate your assumptions based on the official audio demos (which actualy have some very nice analog emulations there, if one listens carefully) and have made you test Saurus itself, which in trurn has changed your view (a bit?).

Also, my apologies for dragging this for a few pages, but if synth geeks can't talk extreme detail in a thread like this, then where? My wife won't have any of it.