Miles'tone VST trumpet - Official Release

[Krakatau]

Is it me or are the note's attack a bit sharp on this last demo ?

- I suppose it may deserves some detailed work in edition ( for instance ) to vary this particular instrument's behaviour

[kevink]

Impressive demo...

Back to business
Besides the unnaturel sounding glissando's, if you listen carefully the dynamic-expression is missing (monotone).

With all due respect, you don't really know what you're talking about here. Have you actually *played* the thing with a breath or wind controller? It's got better dynamic expression response than any other VSTi I've tried with a WX5, and that includes other PM attempts. No, it doesn't perfectly emulate a trumpet at all expression levels, but it's very very far from a lifeless monotone.

[NielsKrook]

I did mention one thing new didn't I?
Ain't it a honest (asked) discussion?...

Niels

ps.
Nice weekend, All.

[NielsKrook]

Have you actually *played* the thing with a breath or wind controller?

Now, you suggest it is Guido or Tony 'playing-style'?

With all due respect, you don't really know what you're talking about here.

Agree.

[Tony Ostinato]

i think he means you cant help but appreciate it more after having played it from one of those, which goes back to what i said about how it feels to play it.

so, in context compare it to pat methenys synth trumpet patch on mike breckers last album, milestone has much more dynamic expressiveness than that for instance. hes been using that patch since "are you going with me" , i think he uses it way too much. i think milestone blows it out of the water.

I mean im also impressed with wivi but thats NOT pure modeling, thats some new hybrid technique, but as far as a modeling trumpet i have used the VL series and i have a vl70-m and i know about arturia brass and the pci oasis, what else has there been?

i actually dont think we will be seeing the kind of timbral modeling your thinking of for awhile yet.

youre comparing it to a real trumpeter, and a good one at that, for sound and im not, i like its kindof electric sounding tone and how fun it is to solo on and crowds ive played it for love it.

when you think of the CRAP they use for trumpet on modern recordings, 80% of its faked samples that to me sound like accordion because of the behavior being all wrong, and thats edited together anyways its not live.

but hey you got 600 to spend get wivi, and then get this also, i dunno. Do what i do most of the time, play real trumpet and sax.

i mean sure he could have growl and lip pinch and half valves etc etc etc, but be fair and realistic, its not 2012. Im impressed by what he has done in comparison to what everyone else has done THUS FAR.

now as far as my playing on the demo and how those arent trumpet licks etc, i do play trumpet and those are the licks id play played the way id play em on trumpet, if i was capable of suck nice double a's

i played for like a decade on a fairlight voicetracker hooked up to various synths with analog cv and midi, all being driven from a real trumpet, i still have it and could hook it up to milestone and try that but that would be a major hassle, id have to find a barcus berry pickup and rig it all up. i know what it would sound like tho, and that would be same as my demo, thats why i dont use that stuff for that anymore.

id love to some demos played with MDT, itd be interesting to see if they can come any closer.

[Sascha Franck]

i mean sure he could have growl and lip pinch and half valves etc etc etc, but be fair and realistic, its not 2012. Im impressed by what he has done in comparison to what everyone else has done THUS FAR.

Yeah, defenitely!

[NielsKrook]

youre comparing it to a real trumpeter

I guessed that is the goal...

i mean sure he could have growl and lip pinch and half valves etc etc etc, but be fair and realistic, its not 2012.

I understand that you still don't know what I meant, secondly these 'things' aren't found by accident in 2012...

Im impressed by what he has done in comparison to what everyone else has done THUS FAR.

Even without the comparisation to others.

i think he means you cant help but appreciate it more after having played it from one of those, which goes back to what i said about how it feels to play it.

Tony; I do my own listening, hearing, talking, thinking and creating

Niels

[Krakatau]

i mean sure he could have growl and lip pinch and half valves etc etc etc, but be fair and realistic, its not 2012. Im impressed by what he has done in comparison to what everyone else has done THUS FAR.

Yeah, defenitely!

+1

[RedWine]

I'm just waiting for when we can get this vsti to play with it for ourselves! Sounds really cool. I suppose I should really get my old trumpet from my folks place and play that again... but I think this one sounds better! How 'tweakable' is it??

[kingtubby]

Seeing as the Yamaha WX5 controller has been mentioned in this thread - It seems that this item is no longer for sale in EU countries - some legislation to do with the battery configuration, i.e. batteries have to be separated rather than stacked together as in the WX5.

Edit: Just did a quick bit of research. I think it's to do with something called the EU Battery Directive which relates to battery disposal and easy removal of batteries from consumer goods - I presume the design of the WX5 falls foul of this somehow? Sorry - that was really dull and uninteresting...

Mart.

[kevink]

Is it the batteries? When I decided that I had to have my own WX5, I too ran into the fact that they're no longer sold new in Europe (though you can find them for sale used on EBay) due to some damned regulatory issue or another. I ended up ordering mine through Sweetwater.com in the US, because I had the possibility of having it shipped to a US delivery address where I was able to pick it up whilst on the road over there. Neither Sweetwater, nor Patchman (www.patchmanmusic.com), who are otherwise very helpful wind controller specialists, will ship to European customer addresses.

However, you *can* get newer model AKAI EWIs over here, e.g. http://www.saxophones.co.uk/acatalog/Ak ... siser.html

Edit: Better UK Price at http://www.dv247.com/invt/32492/

[Tony Ostinato]

Niels, i meant the year 2012, and yes i have compared it to everthing PM and close.

I dont knowems you dont play and you dont program so i guess that does make you a critic.
if theres a better trumpet emu then please, by all means, show me.

i think itll be quite awhile before you can.

"Tony; I do my own listening, hearing, talking, thinking and creating "
we havent seen any evidence of any of that, just the talking. talk is cheap as they say.




batteries eh, wow . I never even use batteries in any of mine, cant they glue in some kind of filler or spacer so you cant use batteries?

[kevink]

youre comparing it to a real trumpeter

I guessed that is the goal...

And that is, I think, the fundamental disconnect between you and people like Tony and myself (not that I put myself in Tony's league as a player). You seem to be approaching Miles'tone as a *producer*, who's thinking he wants a trumpet track but doesn't have a trumpet player on hand. You'll probably be happier with a big collection of samples and a lot of patience for comping. I see it as an *instrument* to be played, which has an organic character that one doesn't find with sample-based instruments. It's close enough to a trumpet to sound comfortingly familiar, yet different enough to be surprising and interesting. If you're just going to play it with a sequenced trumpet part, you'll never understand.

[Tony Ostinato]

right-o!

my context is i see miles ( i preferred hubbard for actual trumpet abilities ) on the extreme end of the scale, samples on the extreme low end and modelers somewhere in the middle in all this, because i am placing the emphasis on behavior and live performance.

[Gregjazz]

I can definitely identify this. I love TruePianos for the reason that the response feels much more realistic than other piano solutions. It is also built to adjust towards YOUR playing, rather than the usual opposite, which is the curse of synthesized sounds--that you have to adjust your playing to use the sounds.

And I'm sure the sound of MilesTone will only get better, but it's great to hear that the feel and response itself is very natural!