Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[Crackbaby]

Awesome himalaya

In context to Urs's comment about the time it took him to recreate it in Saurus, how much work was it? When listening to it, i thought of MS20 from Diva with the osc's vol a bit down to make the resonance go mad
Oh wait, the sweep wasn't from Saurus, was it. Nevermind what i said!


Ingo: Is that 100Hz boost consistent over all keys? Wont having a constant shelve filter mud things up?

Can you imagine how much fun ampguys have when comparing digital modeling to tube amps? (nevermind factors like pickups, wood, mass, strings, player's fingers, microphone, microphone position, cabinet, cabinet size/speakers/form, preamp, listeners speakers/monitors, "youtube" compression ... etc etc! Pity me for my guitar addiction!
Standard musicmesse comment about an amp: "It sounds like shit!" .. when it's recorded through an handheld camera not even near the cabinet.

[zvenx]

Dunno what the laugh is about

Oh I know it. If you tell to the assholes that a clip is Diva then it sounds good because it's Diva. If you tell that a real analog is Saurus then it sounds like shit.

This is the proof that people are talking out of their a**.

Why do you possibly find it appropriate to call ppl trolls and assholes who dont' agree with you on a synth you happened to develop some presets for and I assume therefore earned an income from..
or are you born with the only pair of golden ears and your opinion is always the right one?
rsp

[Ingonator]

Ingo: Is that 100Hz boost consistent over all keys? Wont having a constant shelve filter mud things up?

Possible but i found that using the EQ at that frequency gives satisfiying results. Anyway i have only tested with the Sawtooth waveform and the LPF so far and for other waveforms and/or filters other frequencies could do a better job.

When i compared the Diva and Saurus waveform insides Synthmaster adding the EQ to the Saurus example resulted in an almost identical sound while without the EQ the Saurus waveform/sound lacked a bit in the low end.

BTW for those who still don't understand: I like both Diva and Saurus but i wanted to show that Saurus is not as "crappy" as some people seem to think and with some EQ tuning it sounds even better. End of the story...


Ingo

[mellotronaut]

Dunno what the laugh is about

Oh I know it. If you tell to the assholes that a clip is Diva then it sounds good because it's Diva. If you tell that a real analog is Saurus then it sounds like shit.

This is the proof that people are talking out of their analogic.

there may be some truth in it, but for me the sound is just one part of the synth. another is the GUI, the workflow and more important: the surprise factor. for me it is a challenge to use DIVA, but i get surprising results and that is, what keeps me interested.

[Urs]

Ingo: Is that 100Hz boost consistent over all keys? Wont having a constant shelve filter mud things up?

I think there's a bit of a confusion here. The "waveform" that Ingo was for whatever reason sampling into Synthmaster is not the result of the oscillator model. Like pretty much all analogue oscillators, Diva's do a nearly perfect sawtooth, as do hopefully all analogue emulations. That "belly" in the slope whatsoever is the result of highpass filter that removes the oscillator's DC offset, no more no less.

The bass boost is an inherent feature of a certain ladder filter, and it's level dependent. The higher the level, the more bass boost. Quite simple, and not reproducible by sampling a single cycle waveform, no by using a shelving filter. This is about analogue behaviour.

[hakey]

@ Himalaya - so much cherry picking and strawman misrepresentations of my position in that long post of yours, it hardly merits a response.

But note, the discussion between you and I all started where I compared Saurus to Diva - there was no mention of how analog it sounded (whatever that means) from me.

Regarding the SH2 clip - for balance you might have at least included my comment:

"It's a more-or-less generic moog type bass. Nothing wrong with that - in fact it sounds like a perfectly acceptable example of its kind. But it could be any of a number of VA's. It may even be a real Model D."

(Translation: in this case I can't tell whether it's an analog synth or VA - and by extension VA's can sound close enough that I for one can't tell the difference.)

But then that would have spoilt the whole "gotcha!" theme of your post.

[MaxSynths]

Why do you possibly find it appropriate to call ppl trolls and assholes who dont' agree with you

Very simple: because people here started to trolling and being assholes claiming what they don't really think. It's not a matter of what people thinks... There's nothing bad if someone like or dislike a synth and I respect the opinion of everybody. But what has been done here is simple and pure trolling by fanboys.

If you don't like a synth you can simply pass over.

[MaxSynths]

Dunno what the laugh is about

Oh I know it. If you tell to the assholes that a clip is Diva then it sounds good because it's Diva. If you tell that a real analog is Saurus then it sounds like shit.

This is the proof that people are talking out of their analogic.

there may be some truth in it, but for me the sound is just one part of the synth. another is the GUI, the workflow and more important: the surprise factor. for me it is a challenge to use DIVA, but i get surprising results and that is, what keeps me interested.

This makes sense and it's acceptable!
(Now see the difference between your words and what other said)

[mellotronaut]

another funny observation: i'm only interested, if something fits into my music. i'm more or less stupid or (in some aspects) average in tech-talk, but i know, what i like and i know, what i can use and i know, what keeps me interested and i have a certain musical background.
so i feel like being in an aquarium sometimes, when i read all these comments.

Saurus is not bad, it just smells pfanni

[Ingonator]

Ingo: Is that 100Hz boost consistent over all keys? Wont having a constant shelve filter mud things up?

I think there's a bit of a confusion here. The "waveform" that Ingo was for whatever reason sampling into Synthmaster is not the result of the oscillator model. Like pretty much all analogue oscillators, Diva's do a nearly perfect sawtooth, as do hopefully all analogue emulations. That "belly" in the slope whatsoever is the result of highpass filter that removes the oscillator's DC offset, no more no less.

The bass boost is an inherent feature of a certain ladder filter, and it's level dependent. The higher the level, the more bass boost. Quite simple, and not reproducible by sampling a single cycle waveform, no by using a shelving filter. This is about analogue behaviour.

Hi Urs,

i'm sure that what you say is correct. I just found that the Saurus waveform lacked some low end in comparison and with the EQ the difference gets smaller. This would at least be interesting for a few new Synthmaster presets (I'm working on a bank for that synth since a while now) when using the internal EQ of Synthmaster instead of an external one.
Anyway i found when playing Saurus with the help of the EQ it just seems to sound better to my ears (or to my taste).
The fact that i used Diva for those comparisons is not againt Diva, it's more like a compliment as i see Diva as a kind of "reference". On the other hand this does not mean that i could not like other synths like e.g. Saurus.


Ingo

[zvenx]

Why do you possibly find it appropriate to call ppl trolls and assholes who dont' agree with you

Very simple: because people here started to trolling and being assholes claiming what they don't really think. It's not a matter of what people thinks... There's nothing bad if someone like or dislike a synth and I respect the opinion of everybody. But what has been done here is simple and pure trolling by fanboys.

If you don't like a synth you can simply pass over.

and if you don't like it you don't have a right to express your opinion?

Whether you want to know admit it or not, a veiled attack was made on Diva by Markus. And Saurus, as good sounding as it is for what it does in no way competes with Diva and people don't' have the right to express that?

Also I think name calling is against KVR regulations..
If it wasn't I would certainly have some choice words for you....

For the record I have bought Saurus, because it sounds good, but I sincerely doubt with the current presets if I would ever use it for anything that requires a vintage analog sound, or in place of something I would use Diva for. I will use it for stuff that I could use Nexus or ElectraX etc for.....
rsp

[hakey]

Very simple: because people here started to trolling and being assholes claiming what they don't really think.

Notwithstanding your valiant effort above, I find Tone2' comments "unlike our competitors" and the like to be by far the trolliest stuff in the whole thread.

In fact, even to the point that I wonder whether the predictable result wasn't their express intention all along (no such thing as bad publicity).

[Teksonik]

The way this looks to me is I see a parade going by and everyone is cheering for the emperor and all I see is a naked dude in a crown. Sure, maybe he's a good guy and worthy of a little parade, but he could probably stand to hit the gym some more, for someone who's leading a parade naked, and he's constantly sending out a public cryer to tell me I'm not a citizen yet until I pay the tax... and it's a bit hard to tell if I want to become a citizen because everything is covered with a ton of cellophane and tinsel... and by the time I hack it off I'm carted out of the land and then have to re-enter the country with my visitor visa yet again. Oh yeah, and there's big billboards all around that are telling me how good this naked emperor's country is compared to other countries. In the end though, I'm standing here and it's quite clear... the emperor has no clothes.

Wow put the Blunt down dude..........

[MaxSynths]

@zvenx & hakey: ok ok you are right guys!

It's not a matter of like it or not. In 70 pages the attempts to put down Saurus in every way has been ridiculous and unfair. Just my opinion (can I express my opinion? )

(end of the polemic on my side, I feel I'm only continuing to feed the...)

[Urs]

i'm sure that what you say is correct. I just found that the Saurus waveform lacked some low end in comparison and with the EQ the difference gets smaller. This would at least be interesting for a few new Synthmaster presets (I'm working on a bank for that synth since a while now) when using the internal EQ of Synthmaster instead of an external one.
Anyway i found when playing Saurus with the help of the EQ it just seems to sound better to my ears (or to my taste).
The fact that i used Diva for those comparisons is not againt Diva, it's more like a compliment as i see Diva as a kind of "reference". On the other hand this does not mean that i could not like other synths like e.g. Saurus.

Of course you can EQ things to taste. That's what EQs are made for. What I'm saying though is that whatever behaviour you perceive in Diva (or a Slim Phatty, or an Andromeda A6 etc.) is not the result of EQing, it's the result of the behaviour of the analogue components. That means, an EQ can get you there for a single isolated note or preset, but then maybe not for the next note or for a simple cutoff sweep.