Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[ShawnG]

It would be so nice to have Cubase, Protools, Reaper, EnergyXT, Live, Logic... only plugins. So nice. [sarcasm]

Greed is insatiable. Support it. That's the best thing you can do.

for most of those, you already do. live especially, does owning AAS's Ultra Analog get me a copy of Live's Analog for free or discount? no it doesn't. ProTools has TWO proprietary plugin formats, and I'd surely love to use some of Logic's synths in other hosts too. If anything Props is behind the times, not pushing you all down a slippery slope as some are arguing.

Reason is different. always has been. you can argue whether the difference is good or bad, but this is a program that just doesn't work like all the rest. the "virtual hardware" paradigm sets it apart, and it never would have worked just to "add VST support". we all wanted it, but how could it have been implemented in any way that made sense? this is just a way to add third party devices in a manner compatible with what reason is. We already have lots of "me too" DAWs It doesn't make any sense to have Reason become one of them. Now I STILL want MIDI out, and Reason as a rewire Master, but RE's are in my opinion the best news in Reason in a long time.

[festeringheap]

You may even see some developers not bothering because their source code is so lame and they hoodwinked a lot of buyers with a fancy GUI.
This will separate the crap from the good going forward.

You can be sure that crappy code with fancy gui will also find it's own place to Reason crowd. As long as it will sell. You can right now stop thinking that someone out there care for you or whatever. It's a business after all. If it is selling that it is good. That's the situation ATM.

Monkey, if you read my two earlier posts you may glean something of what I think of Props business acumen. (They're sharp cookies). (It is, however a pretty long thread...)

re: lame code. I meant that some developers would be too embarrassed/afraid to let anyone look at the code, as the DSP was more simple than the slick marketing and pricing and nice GUI would have led people to believe. (In hindsight, I wonder if developers can "see" code anyways at anytime with methods unknown to the average person)

On your point though, it will be interesting to see what standards, if any, Propellerhead will have in the future for hosting Rack Extensions.

No one other than Reason owners have The Echo, Alligator and Pulverizer.

And the reason why noone apart from Reason users have The Echo, Alligator or Pulverizer

is because all these effects you listed are already available for decades and done to death in VST form and everyone actually have them.

Actually they are so overuse that noone seems to care about them and you can even find some of them for free with exceptional quality.

Search KVR database..

Maybe you can search the KVR database for us for these exceptional plugs available for decades and report back which ones are remotely the same as the three I mentioned.

I'm especially looking forward to your Pulverizer clone.

[Crackbaby]

It would be so nice to have Cubase, Protools, Reaper, EnergyXT, Live, Logic... only plugins. So nice. [sarcasm]

Greed is insatiable. Support it. That's the best thing you can do.

You mentioned EnergyXT! I wish it got mentioned more often.. It's such a kickass host (maybe not for giant project mixing or orchestral scoring, but for electronic music).

XT has fx, drumsampler and a synth that's XT only. Orion has several synths and fx with it's own format. I'd LOVE to have the 909 from Orion in another host.

I don't think you can accuse Props for greed more than any other company in a capitalism... Maybe you could shed some light into how you would do it in a non greedy way .. or in any way you think is "all right". (im not sarcastic here, but genuinely interested in your point of view)

[decalogue]

I don't think you can accuse Props for greed more than any other company in a capitalism... Maybe you could shed some light into how you would do it in a non greedy way .. or in any way you think is "all right".

[liquidsound]

You mentioned EnergyXT! I wish it got mentioned more often.. It's such a kickass host (maybe not for giant project mixing or orchestral scoring, but for electronic music).

XT has fx, drumsampler and a synth that's XT only. Orion has several synths and fx with it's own format. I'd LOVE to have the 909 from Orion in another host.

Used to kickass but no more after MuLab 4, in the modular, effects, drumsampler(phenomenal in MuLab), pianoroll etc etc AND as a Rewire host for Reason being one of the most powerful due to the fact that you can rewire Reason in the MUX (a better Combinator) together with modular components affects and VST. Try to beat that!
XT is a minor memory....

[bmrzycki]

Mattias, I hope you're still reading this thread. Last night I was thinking about the "30 day" demo period from the store and had two questions:

1. Will the 30 day trial be calendar day on download or usage time? I really hope it's usage time. If I download a plug and then for some reason can't use Reason for 2 weeks I've lost 1/2 of that demo time. Setting it to usage time means people really, truly, get a chance to demo a piece of technology at their own pace and dictated by their own schedule.

2. Let's say I demo product A and discover it's just not for me. Then, 6 months later, product A releases 2.0 and I read in the changes most of my complaints were fixed. However, since I already demoed the product in your store I can no longer try it. My suggestion for this situation is to reset the trial period on major release numbers to ensure people can re-try extension they didn't initially like.

At the very least I hope you take this back into the mothership for discussions internally. Thanks for compiling feedback from your users.

[Dogboy73]

Mattias, I hope you're still reading this thread. Last night I was thinking about the "30 day" demo period from the store and had two questions:

1. Will the 30 day trial be calendar day on download or usage time? I really hope it's usage time. If I download a plug and then for some reason can't use Reason for 2 weeks I've lost 1/2 of that demo time. Setting it to usage time means people really, truly, get a chance to demo a piece of technology at their own pace and dictated by their own schedule.

I'd imagine the 30 day trial period is from date of download. If it's usage time some people might be demoing it for months ..... years even!!

I had another question - What happens if some bugger cracks the RE downloads? Suddenly the whole shop idea could be destroyed by piracy! What sort of copy protection will this get? Will each RE device need to be registered on the dongle? If so presumably trial downloads will also need to be registered in the same way? Otherwise I guess these could be more open to the bloody hackers!!

[bmrzycki]

Mattias, I hope you're still reading this thread. Last night I was thinking about the "30 day" demo period from the store and had two questions:

1. Will the 30 day trial be calendar day on download or usage time? I really hope it's usage time. If I download a plug and then for some reason can't use Reason for 2 weeks I've lost 1/2 of that demo time. Setting it to usage time means people really, truly, get a chance to demo a piece of technology at their own pace and dictated by their own schedule.

I'd imagine the 30 day trial period is from date of download. If it's usage time some people might be demoing it for months ..... years even!!

How is that necessarily a bad thing? If someone uses it a long time and keeps using it they are more likely to purchase it. If someone really, genuinely, uses something for 30 days of demo time it will become a part of their workflow and saved in songs. At that point they'll need to purchase to keep going. I think as a user it's win-win: users get enough time to really demo something and developers know the customers they're getting know and use their product because the demo period is so useful. It may mean less impulse buying, but it may also mean less reselling after the new-plugin-smell fades (assuming we can resell RE plugs).

[braj]

Mattias, I hope you're still reading this thread. Last night I was thinking about the "30 day" demo period from the store and had two questions:

1. Will the 30 day trial be calendar day on download or usage time? I really hope it's usage time. If I download a plug and then for some reason can't use Reason for 2 weeks I've lost 1/2 of that demo time. Setting it to usage time means people really, truly, get a chance to demo a piece of technology at their own pace and dictated by their own schedule.

I'd imagine the 30 day trial period is from date of download. If it's usage time some people might be demoing it for months ..... years even!!

How is that necessarily a bad thing? If someone uses it a long time and keeps using it they are more likely to purchase it. If someone really, genuinely, uses something for 30 days of demo time it will become a part of their workflow and saved in songs. At that point they'll need to purchase to keep going. I think as a user it's win-win: users get enough time to really demo something and developers know the customers they're getting know and use their product because the demo period is so useful. It may mean less impulse buying, but it may also mean less reselling after the new-plugin-smell fades (assuming we can resell RE plugs).

The thing is you could foreseeably use something that you would otherwise pay for for 30 days total over 2 years, and so never pay for it. 30 calendar days to figure out if something works for you I think is plenty.

[Dogboy73]

The thing is you could foreseeably use something that you would otherwise pay for for 30 days total over 2 years, and so never pay for it. 30 calendar days to figure out if something works for you I think is plenty.

I think 30 calendar days is already very generous & should be plenty of time to figure out if it's for you or not. 30 days of actual time though?! If you used it for 4 hours every single day that would give you 180 days of use!! Bit much to ask for a non-restricted demo wouldn't you agree?

[braj]

30 calendar days also may give you enough time to share a project for colaboration with someone that doesn't own the plugin, I'm guessing this is the reason for the generous time allotted. It would likely give enough time to have someone mix down or add to your project and get it back to you. I think that actually 15 days of unlimited use usually will tell me if something is worth my money, if I don't use it by then I probably never will

[memyselfandus]

will people be able to purchase rack extensions for offline installations?

about 31:00 in he says it gets installed automatically. and they "host" your purchases.

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[eXode]

will people be able to purchase rack extensions for offline installations?

about 31:00 in he says it gets installed automatically. and they "host" your purchases.

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Afaik all RE's will download to your computer, you don't expect to be running a plugin remotely do you? I'm guessing that your RE licenses will be hosted online but also on your ignition key so that you can work with the RE's you own even when not connected to the internet. Only a guess though.

[Kriminal]

what was the 'exciting' news then? did i miss it?

[Goseba]

I seem to recall reading that you would need direct internet access on the computer to download and install in to Reason. You would not be able to use a computer without an internet connection to purchase RE's.