Man, sorry you're having a rough time. Is that a 1-bar loop? I just tried it with one and AAMS analyzed in less than 1 minute.cdunkeroo wrote:ok had to save full data close out and open again..
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Har Bal Version 2
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 18 May, 2004
As far as Harbal goes, the analysis always happens quickly on my system, maybe 5 to 10 seconds for a 3 to 4 minute track.
Harbal works fine with 24-bit tracks, thats what I use, I don't know about 32-bit.
Apparently Harbal can also export its filter coefficients to a text file, so conceivably the filters could be imported into another tool or plugin if the format was recognized or converted. I've never looked into this too deeply.
Randy
Harbal works fine with 24-bit tracks, thats what I use, I don't know about 32-bit.
Apparently Harbal can also export its filter coefficients to a text file, so conceivably the filters could be imported into another tool or plugin if the format was recognized or converted. I've never looked into this too deeply.
Randy
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 18 May, 2004
I prefer drop-out demos myself, but I had no issues demoing Harbal at 8-bit. Sure the sound was a little grainy, but that did not detract from understanding the work flow. I also had no problem hearing the EQ changes at 8-bit.bduffy wrote: Yes, Har-Bal demo is crippled to 8-bit. I think this is a lousy idea, personally; they'd be better off with a limited-time or dropout demo.
Harbal also has a 30-day money-back guarantee, so if the 8-bit demo still leaves you with questions you can take that route. I have heard of no one that had any issues with "returning" Harbal within that 30 days, though most seem to hang on to it.
Cheers,
Randy
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- KVRist
- 459 posts since 30 Jul, 2002 from netherlands
Here's a discussion on AAMS on another forum from some time ago :
http://www.audiomastersforum.org/amforu ... light=aams
http://www.audiomastersforum.org/amforu ... light=aams
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Yeah, it's not unreasonable, and I could hear the EQ improvements. But man, that's tough on the ears.randygo wrote:I prefer drop-out demos myself, but I had no issues demoing Harbal at 8-bit. Sure the sound was a little grainy, but that did not detract from understanding the work flow. I also had no problem hearing the EQ changes at 8-bit.bduffy wrote: Yes, Har-Bal demo is crippled to 8-bit. I think this is a lousy idea, personally; they'd be better off with a limited-time or dropout demo.
Harbal also has a 30-day money-back guarantee, so if the 8-bit demo still leaves you with questions you can take that route. I have heard of no one that had any issues with "returning" Harbal within that 30 days, though most seem to hang on to it.
Cheers,
Randy
EDIT: and yeah, Har-Bal kicks AAMS's ass in speed and formats, no argument there! What I don't know is what the difference in extrapolation is. And AAMS is computing multiband compression and loudness maxmizing as well, I guess.
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- KVRAF
- 1933 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Beyond all space, time, and dimension.
Well now I'm frustrated because I don't know why everything was all full of crackles and I don't know why HarBal rejected my (quite common) ASIO drivers from M Audio. I guess I'll have to email them.
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DenisvanderVelde DenisvanderVelde https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=59601
- KVRer
- 26 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
To get into this subject, I am the Author of AAMS.
Id like to mention there is a new version 1.5 comming out at the end of this month.
This version will have only one AAMS.exe file and this file runs on its own. So no more extra dll files are needed. Just the AAMS.exe runs on its own.
The database with Reference files will be in the same directory where you run AAMS.exe. So there should be no more application runtime errors in AAMS V1.5 and AAMS V2.0.
Furthermore AAMS V2.0 will feature internal processing of EQ / Multiband Compression and a Loudness maximiser. As AAMS V1.5 will be released at the end of this month, AAMS V2.0 is expected before end of 2005.
Why AAMS V2.0 will not be a plugin like a VST plugin?
Well to analyze audio aams needs to have the Whole Mix as an audio file. Any attemp to do this in a VSTplugin would require the host (like Cubase) to play the whole audio mix. Furthermore AAMS analyzer is trying to Analyze for mastering, the calculations makes computing a little slow, but very accurate.
If programmed into a plugin , the plugin would be very slow processing, if not it would block the processing of the system also. Exporting an audio mix as a WAV and importing/analyzing this in AAMS directly resuls in very accurate and consistent data.
Any more Questions about AAMS V1.1 and the upcoming V1.5 and V2.0, ill be happy to answer...
Id like to mention there is a new version 1.5 comming out at the end of this month.
This version will have only one AAMS.exe file and this file runs on its own. So no more extra dll files are needed. Just the AAMS.exe runs on its own.
The database with Reference files will be in the same directory where you run AAMS.exe. So there should be no more application runtime errors in AAMS V1.5 and AAMS V2.0.
Furthermore AAMS V2.0 will feature internal processing of EQ / Multiband Compression and a Loudness maximiser. As AAMS V1.5 will be released at the end of this month, AAMS V2.0 is expected before end of 2005.
Why AAMS V2.0 will not be a plugin like a VST plugin?
Well to analyze audio aams needs to have the Whole Mix as an audio file. Any attemp to do this in a VSTplugin would require the host (like Cubase) to play the whole audio mix. Furthermore AAMS analyzer is trying to Analyze for mastering, the calculations makes computing a little slow, but very accurate.
If programmed into a plugin , the plugin would be very slow processing, if not it would block the processing of the system also. Exporting an audio mix as a WAV and importing/analyzing this in AAMS directly resuls in very accurate and consistent data.
Any more Questions about AAMS V1.1 and the upcoming V1.5 and V2.0, ill be happy to answer...
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Very exciting, Denis! I know you're a big fan of the Firium EQ - is the internal EQ in v2.0 going to be of similar quality?
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DenisvanderVelde DenisvanderVelde https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=59601
- KVRer
- 26 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
For Registred users the new versions of AAMS are free, so users don't have to worry they get their AAMS V1.5 and V2.0 registred with a new keycode on request by email.
Basicly now for the to be released AAMS V2.0, the EQ can be setup with as much as EQ-bands between 1 and 50. So internally you can simulate any EQ. The same EQ's in AAMS V1.xx can be used, but now processed internally.
The main problem for the AAMS V2.00 release is EQ. I do agree with some suggestions over here that most Equalizers are rubbish and produce side-effects. Programming a Compressor or Louness Maximizer was not difficult at al, and the quality of them are good. Programming a good EQ that does not affect your sound badly in a few run's of processing, is the main problem releasing AAMS V2.
For now the upcomming (in about 2 weeks) of AAMS V1.5 will be much more stable / faster and accurate, still (only) suggesting the user 'how to make a better master'.
For users , there is quite a lot more to read and find out on the AAMS site... New info and AAMS V1.5 will be on the site later on this month...
www.curioza.com
Basicly now for the to be released AAMS V2.0, the EQ can be setup with as much as EQ-bands between 1 and 50. So internally you can simulate any EQ. The same EQ's in AAMS V1.xx can be used, but now processed internally.
The main problem for the AAMS V2.00 release is EQ. I do agree with some suggestions over here that most Equalizers are rubbish and produce side-effects. Programming a Compressor or Louness Maximizer was not difficult at al, and the quality of them are good. Programming a good EQ that does not affect your sound badly in a few run's of processing, is the main problem releasing AAMS V2.
For now the upcomming (in about 2 weeks) of AAMS V1.5 will be much more stable / faster and accurate, still (only) suggesting the user 'how to make a better master'.
For users , there is quite a lot more to read and find out on the AAMS site... New info and AAMS V1.5 will be on the site later on this month...
www.curioza.com
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DenisvanderVelde DenisvanderVelde https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=59601
- KVRer
- 26 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
To answer another remark, i am not really a big fan of Firium, but however it does the job and i could create presets for it with AAMS, as it is a fact that Plugin Presets from most other EQ plugins are difficult to understand and to program for. Most saving formats are 'unknown' to me, Firium was aboutthe only one i could understand and lucky enough it has 50 bands of stereo EQ, that is why it ended up into the AAMS program as a save-preset.
And yes, it is quite easy loading a preset into firium, i would not program any other EQ manually anymore. The quality of firium though is actually quite good and 'natural', so thumbs up for Firium , it's a good rounder up for a real Stereo EQ.
This explains why it ended up in the AAMS program...
And yes, it is quite easy loading a preset into firium, i would not program any other EQ manually anymore. The quality of firium though is actually quite good and 'natural', so thumbs up for Firium , it's a good rounder up for a real Stereo EQ.
This explains why it ended up in the AAMS program...
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 12 Oct, 2002 from Calgary, Alberta, Canada and a summer home on Salusa Secundus
Welcome, Denis!DenisvanderVelde wrote:To get into this subject, I am the Author of AAMS.
Id like to mention there is a new version 1.5 comming out at the end of this month.
I am a big fan of AAMS and am really excited about the new versions coming out.
Keep up the great work.
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- KVRAF
- 5629 posts since 22 Sep, 2005
As an serious firium user I have ask.. the fact the firium (the best plugin ever) analyzes the audio and can give you a curve based on any other audio.. Im wondering what the advantges are to using AAMS over Firium?
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Denis actually addressed this directly before - maybe on the FAQ on his site...in the meantime, I can say that AAMS does a more detailed analysis and also offers Multiband Compression settings and Loudness Maximizing, to match commercial CDs; Firium only deals with EQ.cdunkeroo wrote:As an serious firium user I have ask.. the fact the firium (the best plugin ever) analyzes the audio and can give you a curve based on any other audio.. Im wondering what the advantges are to using AAMS over Firium?
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DenisvanderVelde DenisvanderVelde https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=59601
- KVRer
- 26 posts since 27 Feb, 2005
What is the difference in AAMS analyzing ?
Well i cannot talk for any other program or plugin, but AAMS internal analyzer is way different. First AAMS does take more time to analyze, AAMS is way more complicated and accurate in details of audio spectrum and outcome. AAMS records way more information aboutthe audio then most other analyzers. Most likely you do at least get an accurate representation while you are batching (1) or (most likely several) more files together with AAMS. Compared to firium does analyzing presenting you with a 1 vs 1 audio file representation only, that is fast but way less detailed. So the difference with AAMS is accuracy and detailed calculations, instead of fast and unreliable. Anyone in for a quick fix?
Well i cannot talk for any other program or plugin, but AAMS internal analyzer is way different. First AAMS does take more time to analyze, AAMS is way more complicated and accurate in details of audio spectrum and outcome. AAMS records way more information aboutthe audio then most other analyzers. Most likely you do at least get an accurate representation while you are batching (1) or (most likely several) more files together with AAMS. Compared to firium does analyzing presenting you with a 1 vs 1 audio file representation only, that is fast but way less detailed. So the difference with AAMS is accuracy and detailed calculations, instead of fast and unreliable. Anyone in for a quick fix?