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munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:30 am

I think the issue with sampling is not to rip off the original musician of his/her royalties but to pay homage and be creative.

If musicians are afraid to ssmple creatively because there is a remote possiblity that James Brown may knock on your door and confiscate your computer then a whole area of creativity is closed off. The contradiction is that advances in music technology have cultivated the development of sampling other peoples work. Sony, one of the biggest record companies sells ACID, the original sample and loop host.

I don't believe that any musician at KVR who makes money out of their music will try to avoid paying royalties for samples. It would simply be impossible to do this without causing legal problems. No one is that stupid.

The point this thread is making, I think, is that, yes we know we have to pay royalties if we use samples and make money, but no one here to my knowledge has made any money out of using someone elses music. It's just not happening. So moralistic lectures about copyright are a tedious waste of time. It's like teaching your grandmother to suck eggs!

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:37 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Chase wrote: umm... That was exactly Soulrakka's point, exacpt aimed at you.
His point was that he's still right even if there's proof of the opposite of his claim?

Yeah, right. Go and play with your barbies, Chase.

You're so c**ting petty sometimes

.

He pointed out that one case can not be used to generalize, and you responded by pretty much saying the same thing. That's all i pointed out.

P.T. was EXACTLY right about your quoting system.

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:45 am

JamminFool wrote:
clueless wrote:
JamminFool wrote:
clueless wrote:
JamminFool wrote:so if you can get away with something, that makes it ok?

neither i nor he said that.
actions speak louder than words.
a stitch in time saves nine

look before you leap

it's an ill wind that blows nobody good

the apple never falls far from the tree

the ocelot flies backwards at dawn

and so on.
oh you forgot:

a thief by any other name is still a thief.

so is a smug git.

would you care to point out which one of my commercially released tracks has "stolen" material in it?

Muff Wiggler · Post by **Muff Wiggler** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:45 am

how different is it from using, say a warezed collection of Sonic Reality, IK Multimedia & Scarbee sample libraries, and then paying up 'if and when' you start making money from your music?

i'm just asking to be a dick and stir stuff up on this thread, i'm not implying anything one way or another

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:13 am

It's different because samples are a piece of creativity and a synth just sits there until you create something with it. The whole point of sampling is to manipulate an original piece of music and create something new.

Montage in art is a similar process. An artist may use a warezed copy of photoshop but the manipulated image is the creative bit - not photoshop. Musicians are the ones who create (including the musician who created the original sample) not software or hardware.

I suppose the issue comes down to whether musicians should be allowed to be creative or whether businesses should be allowed to prohibit creativity before it has become a commodity.

Muff Wiggler · Post by **Muff Wiggler** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:20 am

tell that to my cubase dongle....

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:22 am

Muff Wiggler wrote:tell that to my cubase dongle....

Does it create?

rounser · Post by **rounser** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:25 am

there is a remote possiblity that James Brown may knock on your door and confiscate your computer

Not so remote, according to the rumour mill - apparently his record label has full time employees devoted to listening to new releases for James Brown samples.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:33 am

rounser wrote:
there is a remote possiblity that James Brown may knock on your door and confiscate your computer
Not so remote, according to the rumour mill - apparently his record label has full time employees devoted to listening to new releases for James Brown samples.

There you go then. This confirms what we already know. There are plenty of people monitoring sampling so no one is going to get away without paying. JB's enforcers won't waste JB's precious money and resources going after bedroom musicians unless there's money involved.

It's a bit like wearing a VW medalion round your neck. VW copyright employees aren't going to strip search you in the street unless you're marketing their insignia to other people.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:42 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
djsubject wrote:
if this statment dose not relate to legal matters then i'm off to re release take that
Erm, so arent you contradicting yourself? First you say there's nothing about legality in your statement now you're saying there is.

You really should try reading your own posts y'know.

no where in there do i mention legal stuff

oh & my 1820m works lovley with the 1,81 drivers thank you for asking
Like I give a shit.

allso it took you longer to find i had re quoted my quote to cleare up that i did not mention any thing to do with your statment quoted in this post
Oh great, now you're devolving into gibberish. Again.

childish? me?

ya dahm right cant you tell by my bad spelling i'm only 12
I just thought it was your IQ.

but hay, like all bitches i know, you will allways think you have won
And like all the usual fuckwit gobshites your too dumb to realise that I did.

so congrats dood
Thanks. Coming from you its completely irrelevant but at least you get too feel all warm and fuzzy about it. ...

your welcome

rounser · Post by **rounser** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:57 am

There you go then. This confirms what we already know. There are plenty of people monitoring sampling so no one is going to get away without paying.

Yeah, but that's the Godfather of Soul. Samples of him are everywhere, and easy to spot. It seems the world can't get enough of his "constipated, but in a funky way" sound...unh!..hit me!..too funky in here! ow! woo, yeah!

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:05 am

rounser wrote:
There you go then. This confirms what we already know. There are plenty of people monitoring sampling so no one is going to get away without paying.
Yeah, but that's the Godfather of Soul. Samples of him are everywhere, and easy to spot. It seems the world can't get enough of his "constipated, but in a funky way" sound...unh!..hit me!..too funky in here! ow! woo, yeah!

He must be worth millions! If they had a category at music awards for most sampled musician I'm sure he'd win.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:35 am

Chase wrote:In the genre of DnB, it's a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to sampling. Many producer (most?) sample anything they can, so you have to cover shit up in your music!

The only samples that I would leave recognizable are those that I got off of sample CD's that I know are cleared.

Many sample CDs contain copyrighted material that has not been cleared so if your worried about that sort of thing then I'd research a bit.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:40 am

soulkraka wrote:
Chase wrote:In the genre of DnB, it's a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to sampling. Many producer (most?) sample anything they can, so you have to cover shit up in your music!

The only samples that I would leave recognizable are those that I got off of sample CD's that I know are cleared.
Many sample CDs contain copyrighted material that has not been cleared so if your worried about that sort of thing then I'd research a bit.

The only sample packs I buy are from Zero G, which are sworn 100% legit.

the thing is though that in case of breaks like the amen, i wouldnt use the Zero G one, but if someone said shit abuot me using the amen, then I would just claim to use the cleared zero G one..

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:54 am

Chase wrote:
soulkraka wrote:
Chase wrote:In the genre of DnB, it's a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to sampling. Many producer (most?) sample anything they can, so you have to cover shit up in your music!

The only samples that I would leave recognizable are those that I got off of sample CD's that I know are cleared.
Many sample CDs contain copyrighted material that has not been cleared so if your worried about that sort of thing then I'd research a bit.
The only sample packs I buy are from Zero G, which are sworn 100% legit.

the thing is though that in case of breaks like the amen, i wouldnt use the Zero G one, but if someone said shit abuot me using the amen, then I would just claim to use the cleared zero G one..

are they? good. I used to work for one of the bigger sample CD companies ( I wont name names ) and they had some really obvious samples on their CDs that were definately not cleared.

I used to squirm a bit when some client called that was producing some higher profile material, like TV ads etc, and they'd want the "superdooper breaks" CD that I knew had all kinds of uncleared stuff on it. "ummmm...have you heard our nature sounds CD? Its really good...errrr"

Sample whatever you want!