experimental wing of kvr?

[xoxos]

collecting people together

like so many pieces of garbage.

xoxos, I'm having a little trouble following your argument.
I've read through it about 5 times and am I to understand your meaning is:

1) people with normal taste in music should be encouraged to be exposed to experimental music

&

2) segregated groups (even voluntarily) get separated & then ignored?

Sorry to intrude I just wanted to make sure I understand you.

yes, very much so.

and oc the insinuated "who the hell do you think 'clueless' (and others who gift us with regurgitation) is anyway? never makes tunes, just reinforces all the british stereotypes about how it's oh so human and that it's okay, you're just one of the boys to go along with all the craphole stuff."

after all, "if you were some intelligence flunky whose job it was to sit around and make sure "things don't get out of hand anywhere where progress could be made," what kind of handle would you choose?" and remember - the best cover for an agent is where they don't even know what they are.

think i'm paranoid? try to understand what a british - let alone u.s. - person looks like from an apache perspective. can't even understand animals.. pah.

"special place" hot damn, people.

[runagate]

Thanks for replying.
Except that I don't get your new post, either, but I want to.

[Amberience]

i call it "shove off and don't be where we can see you."

That would be fine if it were a forum that wasn't requested. But people want it, even before I showed up. And to be honest, I get tired of filtering through all the different genres here at KvR. I like loads of different kinds of music, but not always equally, and not always at the same time. Today for instance I was in the mood for Tricky, Squarepusher, and Sasha one after the other. Yesterday it was Isis and Tool mostly.

So I get really bored when I'm looking through page after page of stuff that isn't descriptively .. er.. described in anyway. You'll get the title of the song, that'll be it, or you'll get "electro" ... wtf is electro?!

I like cupboards to put things in. Because like it or not, our time on Earth is limited, and I don't think anyone should have to waste their time by filtering through loads of things that are uninteresting to them.

And remember, the proposed forum isn't just about sharing music. Its about sharing ideas and techniques, some of that communication stuff you like so much.

I think you're missing a fundamental point about communication - it takes two. A transmitter, and a reciever. Where are the recievers for my kind of music? Where are the transmitters?

[pHz]

A transmitter, and a reciever. Where are the recievers for my kind of music? Where are the transmitters?

cant they be in the same place ???

slainte rob

[Amberience]

A transmitter, and a reciever. Where are the recievers for my kind of music? Where are the transmitters?

cant they be in the same place ???

slainte rob

Well that is the idea Rob. But at KvR it just doesn't work out like that. I mean, there's a lot of buddy action that goes on here, and a lot of "I don't like that, I like this" mentality.

For instance, I don't remember the last time a post of mine in the music cafe got more than 10 or 12 replies - three or four of those being my own bumps.

Now you could say that its because my music sucks, or my attitude stinks and people don't like me, and thats why I never get any listens or feedback. And that may be partially true. But I don't think its the whole story.

I think if you create platforms for people to express themselves, they will attract the very people who are looking for whatever it is that is being expressed.

[cptgone]

I like chicks. But these days, one must mind their droppings. Wild birds are bombarding us with biological weapons as I write.

Maybe we need a Bird Flu forum?

[xoxos]

That would be fine if it were a forum that wasn't requested. But people want it, even before I showed up.

I like cupboards to put things in.

erm - read your burroughs - all it takes is a couple of irishmen in dirty red sweaters to jump on the tables in the right places and say "we're not going to take it boys" before you know it it's gone to hell. "the people demand it!"

check this shit out -

one guy with a big mouth. next thing, a bunch of innocent souls are getting shot with real, painful guns -

"it smells like a pigsty.." indeed

and you gotta throw some afraid little white girls in the mix. "think of the children.."

how you say - "i've lived across the tracks, baby, and i know what it's like!"

i'm telling you. one moment's "convenient special place" is tomorrow's reservation.

of course, i cannot stop you from the fate you demand.

at least the article title is right...


Posted on: Tuesday, February 14, 2006








Feral pigs draw legislator's wrath












By Jan TenBruggencateAdvertiser Science Writer













































Concern about the increasing intrusion of feral pigs into residential
areas has led to a proposal to declare open season on the animals and
establish a bounty, over the objections of the state agency that promotes
both hunting and protection of forest lands.






The threats posed by expanding pig populations include increased
erosion, threats to native species, the spread of weeds and perhaps even
increased flooding, said state Rep. Kirk Caldwell, D-24th
(Manoa-University), who introduced HB2942, which calls for year-round hunting and an
undetermined cash bounty for each pig killed.






Caldwell said that in his own district, pigs may have contributed to
the devastation of the Oct. 30, 2004, flood that caused millions of
dollars of damage in Manoa Valley. He said pigs have wiped out the
undergrowth that normally slows runoff and soaks up rainwater.






"What's becoming clear is that the undergrowth in the back of the
valley is getting really depleted. I went back there and it smelled like a
pig sty," he said.






The state Department of Land and Natural Resources opposes the bill. In
testimony submitted to the House Water, Land and Ocean Resources
committee on Friday, the agency said it has the authority on its own to
remove seasons and bag limits, but there are reasons not to promote hunting
in specific areas. The department supports meetings in communities with
problems to develop solutions.






"Declaring wide-open seasons and methods would conflict with many
current uses such as hiking, gathering forest products and dog walking.
Portions of the Honolulu Watershed Forest Reserve in Tantalus and Manoa are
not normally open to hunting because of the proximity to residential
areas and the high public recreational use on the trail network in this
area. Opening these areas up would put many more hunters and dogs in
residential areas on a frequent basis," the DLNR said.






The committee approved the proposed measure anyway, and the bill likely
is headed next to the House Finance Committee.






Woodlawn resident Sarah Preble said yesterday she has had 17 feral pigs
removed from her two-thirds of an acre in Manoa Valley. She said pigs
coming down the mountainside feed on her landscape plants and have left
her family fearful to venture to the back of their property.






"We lived here more than 30 years before the pigs appeared. Now my
granddaughters, aged 10 and 12, will not go more than 5 feet beyond the
back deck without an adult. They're afraid," Preble said.






Kailua resident Mary Ikagawa said government and private agencies are
spending vast amounts of money and time trying to protect the native
forest at the same time the state is protecting pig populations by using
closed seasons and bag limits. She said the animals are clearly one of
the most severe threats to the native forest.






"The policy is brain-dead. Given what we know now, there should not be
any sort of limit on the take of feral ungulates," she said.






O'ahu hunters who attended Friday's committee hearing said one of the
issues for controlling the animals is lack of access. They asked the
Legislature to help ensure the same kind of liberal access to mountain
areas that the public has to coastlines.






The DLNR in its testimony opposed bounties, saying they generally are
ineffective and may have negative consequences such as encouraging
people to breed pigs, illegally hunt in areas without bounties, and trespass
and poach on private lands.






Regardless of whether bounties are approved, it is clear the state
needs a permanent open season on pigs with no bag limits, said Marjorie
Ziegler, executive director of the Conservation Council for Hawai'i.






"Feral pigs should not be allowed to roam freely in our native forests,
watersheds and private property," Ziegler said.






Naturalists working in the Ko'olau Mountains of O'ahu regularly find
soil churned up by pigs, soggy wallows, native plants ripped up, and
increased erosion, all caused by feral pigs, said Ryan Smith, project
coordinator of the O'ahu Invasive Species Committee.






"Pigs are probably one of the most damaging invasive species," Smith
said.






The problem exists statewide, with millions of dollars spent to install
fences around national parks and other sensitive areas.

[xoxos]

Where are the recievers for my kind of music?

excusing me, sahr..

but we don't serve your kind here...

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? *sigh*

[pHz]

mmmnnn ... bacon ...

(check cupboard for HP sauce)

slainte rob

[pHz]

I think if you create platforms for people to express themselves, they will attract the very people who are looking for whatever it is that is being expressed.

problem being youre then in danger of a mutual appreciation society ... which wont help anyone ... look what happened to tarnce once it got insular ...

slainte rob

[pHz]

but we don't serve your kind here...

we still let you in though rurik ...

slainte rob

[Sickle]

but given their sheepish nature there will be a mindset created amongst some (maybe many) people of 'ooh - its an experimental music forum - i cant possibly belong there' and it will become a weirdo ghetto by default ...

Incorrect.

It's _one_ subsection of a music forum that covers damn near everything. Deadly/Evil fails to represent the entire Auditorium, correct?

There's forum sections there I've not entered once, the genre diversity's that wide.

Of course, discussing *where* it should be only detracts from *what* it could be.

A resource pertaining to the original discussion has been provided as a possible alternative. Feel free to use it in any matter, or none at all.

Either way,
D

[pHz]

but given their sheepish nature there will be a mindset created amongst some (maybe many) people of 'ooh - its an experimental music forum - i cant possibly belong there' and it will become a weirdo ghetto by default ...

Incorrect.
It's _one_ subsection of a music forum that covers damn near everything. Deadly/Evil fails to represent the entire Auditorium, correct?
There's forum sections there I've not entered once, the genre diversity's that wide.
Of course, discussing *where* it should be only detracts from *what* it could be.
A resource pertaining to the original discussion has been provided as a possible alternative. Feel free to use it in any matter, or none at all.
Either way,
D

dont forget i was looking at it from a KVR viewpoint rather than an auditorium one though ...

slainte rob

[Sickle]

problem being youre then in danger of a mutual appreciation society ... which wont help anyone ... look what happened to tarnce once it got insular ...

slainte rob

I'm not suggesting any form of isolationism whatsoever. I'm merely suggesting the working lab be one step off the beaten path of traffic.

[Amberience]

Where are the recievers for my kind of music?

excusing me, sahr..

but we don't serve your kind here...

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? *sigh*

Well yeah.. that was the impression I was getting. You're talking about a new forum causing a schism between people and blocking off communication, but man, its already there! When was the last time you ever heard one of my pieces, knowing the length of time we've "communicated" with each other and knowing the amount of chances you've had.

Same with me. I've never heard any of your music, and that's a sad fact. Do you have any online?

Anyway, I'm not going to get bogged down in this debate. It's futile. Use the new forum, or don't.