CSR comments...

[dgkenney]

So...anyone else had these issues, or could it just be Ssascha's particular setup (I suspect it's Logic that's f**ked it up somewhere...don't know how, but it must be, as it's such a piece of crap ).

Can't speak for everyone but I have both SX3 and SX2 licenses and installed CSR without a hint of problem. (PC) And, (in the words of Jimmy Buffett), Come Monday, I'll be installing AT2.

Clearly it is a Logic problem


Dan

[Sascha Franck]

kritikon, FWIW, it hasn't been the CSR demo f**king up things but installing the latest LCC (which apparently is required for CSR to be authorized smoothly).

Still haven't got the SX2 authorization back.
Will have a serious thinking about it over eastern. I may indeed have to contact my lawyer if Syncrosoft (whom I mailed) won't answer.

FWIW #2: I never had any sort of the slightest problems with the Syncrosoft dongle so far either. But I allways suspected something to go wrong one day. Maybe that's been the mistake. Or my passionate Cubase disliking. Or even Logic. Who knows.

I won't let this happen to me without a proper reply from either Steinberg or Syncrosoft though.
I consider myself being rather computer savy, and there haven't been any malicious things happening during install either.

Seems that after all there's a reason why I started to prefer C/R over dongles (which has been vice versa until a while ago).

[ericj23]

am i being really dense

but i thought the sx3 licence is an sx 2 and an sx1 licence too

don't remeber why i think this but there you go

[kmonkey]

Not sure but in my dongle i can see separate licenses for SX 1. and 2. and 3. ???
Didnt try anything with bundled HALion demo

[Sascha Franck]

am i being really dense

but i thought the sx3 licence is an sx 2 and an sx1 licence too

don't remeber why i think this but there you go

I had different licenses shown for them with the older LCC (which I reinstalled).
Can't check on this Windows install whether the SX3 only license will work with SX2 as well - I haven't got v2 installed and won't do so on this Windows because it might mess with the (newer) SX3. Will revert to some older image whenever I find the time.
All I know is that SX2 didn't work with a dongle only having SX3 licensed a while back. Maybe this has changed, but I doubt it.
Also, there's something fishy anyways, as directly after the LCC install the dongle showed up as completely wiped (read: there's been no SX3 authorisation either). Took me 2 reboots and changing from one USB port to another to have it showing up (and working) again.

We'll see... regardless how you put it, all this doesn't do anything positive regarding dongles.

[MacQ]

Yeah ...

I'm not fond of dongles either. The CSR demo (with license showing up on the dongle) absolutely REFUSED to run, and it gave me a dongle error before crashing Cubase. Yay. The "missing licenses" thing is fun, too. Reboot after reboot ... oh, THERE are my licenses. Dongle trickery ... can't stand it. But, I'm an SX3 user, so what can you do?

SX3, Hypersonic 2, Korg Legacy DE, and soon CSR (it supposedly shipped nearly two months ago, but has yet to show up) ... all dongled, and all used frequently.

Grrr ...

~MacQ

[sounddesigner]

I would like to add the opinion of another totally satisfied CSR user "me".I have owned and demo'd many native reverbs and when i tried CSR within minutes i knew it was the best native algorithm verb around (imo).It truly has that high end sound and tho it may not be better then expensive lexicon or tc 600 it still can compete, meaning you can get a great sound out of it if you know how to use it,CSR is a tool that truly helps the low budget musician deliver a fabulous sound that can compete well even tho its not better then true high end hardware.I know the key to csr is knowing how to use it and the better one can use it the more dynamite is its effect.
It definitely is a reverb that many should not sleep on and it truly has character. My only dislike of csr is the metalic sound in its plate, i feel the plate would be better if this where decreased some. It does limit the plate some, i wrote a complaint to ik multimedia about this and they are looking into it, it would be more helpful if others complained about it to.But even with the metalic sound in the plate CSR is a great reverb.

[brok landers]

ok, after i followed this thread, allthough i am kinda satisfied in terms of reverb, you guys made me really curious ...
here are some files. i included the orginal dry file, convince me using it and post your reverbed files here.
top these with the csr and i'm sold. top this "roomness" ...
let the games begin:

long reverb

medium reverb

medium ambience

orginal dry

again:
i don't have a dongle, therefore i cannot test csr by myself.
i'd of course be happy if csr is even better than this !

edit: i started another thread with this post.it's called "csr reverb-pants down"

[kilroy]

My only dislike of csr is the metalic sound in its plate...

Now that's a bit odd...I don't notice any objectional metallic sound on the Timeworks P100 plate. This makes me wonder if there is a difference in the general character of the CSR plate compared to the Scope version...something lost in the transfer perhaps.

The plate should actually be the stand out algo, as it was on the PCM series boxes.

[Kingston]

My only dislike of csr is the metalic sound in its plate...

The plate should actually be the stand out algo, as it was on the PCM series boxes.

sounddesigner, Do you know what plates are? What substance are they made of?

google it up, and maybe you'll get a valid explanation to why it sounds metallic.



Kilroy, me and bmanic did some loose A/B testing with PCM90, and CSR is a very very close match. It was just about audible, but in practical terms the match was 100%.

[bmanic]

About the dongle issue: I'd like to mention that during our tests at Kingston's we did have the computer crash rather violently and it was because of the dongle (at least according to the error message). Kingston also mentioned that Cubase SX3 had NEVER crashed for him before so the only real conclusion one can have is that CSR somehow funked it up.

It is truly sad when a quality product like this has to hide behind dongles and not just sell on it's own merits. I really hope that Aleksey will be the king of the plugin world and squash the rest as his policies are thousands of times more sane than anybody elses. For instance, check out the incredibly simple and powerful license transfer system he has. Now check out his copy protection. Now check out the quality of his plugins. Then last but not least, check out his prices (which he just REDUCED!!). Insane world, isn't it?

Cheers!
bManic

[snooky]

I would like to add the opinion of another totally satisfied CSR user "me".I have owned and demo'd many native reverbs and when i tried CSR within minutes i knew it was the best native algorithm verb around (imo).It truly has that high end sound and tho it may not be better then expensive lexicon or tc 600 it still can compete, meaning you can get a great sound out of it if you know how to use it,CSR is a tool that truly helps the low budget musician deliver a fabulous sound that can compete well even tho its not better then true high end hardware.I know the key to csr is knowing how to use it and the better one can use it the more dynamite is its effect.
It definitely is a reverb that many should not sleep on and it truly has character. My only dislike of csr is the metalic sound in its plate, i feel the plate would be better if this where decreased some. It does limit the plate some, i wrote a complaint to ik multimedia about this and they are looking into it, it would be more helpful if others complained about it to.But even with the metalic sound in the plate CSR is a great reverb.

hahahah!

hilarious first post!

so, who you working for? IK?

[Kingston]

Oh yeah, CSR did break during testing of the demo. We got an error message all of the sudden, something like "CSR can't find syncrosoft dongle", and that's when SX3 tripped on this sudden bomb and crashed violently.

It was weird because the error message came out of nowhere. We weren't even loading a CSR instance at the time.


Yeah, dongles are not good at all. Too bad we have to live with them nowadays.

[martian]

maybe the unpleasant metalic sound many hear (on any algos) is actually a trait of their own room. how many have tested in a well treated room? ie. not too dead nor too live, even freq response, average of all rooms translates best type scenario.

[Kingston]

maybe the unpleasant metalic sound many hear (on any algos) is actually a trait of their own room.

it's a possibility. I suspect it has more to do with this:

"Plates work by suspending a thin sheet of metal under tension within a rigid frame via springs or clamps attached to the corners. A transducer similar to the voice-coil of a cone loudspeaker is used to inject audio energy into the plate and two or more contact mics fixed to the surface of the plate then pick up the vibrations inside it and feed them to preamps connected to the console effect returns."

"Because metal plates have a tendency to 'ring', getting the plate thickness, size, material and tension right is quite an art, and some pre- and/or post-reverb EQ is invariably needed to fine-tune the sound. Furthermore, because the plate is very sensitive to external sounds and vibrations, it has to be mounted in a soundproof box, ideally on shockmounts."




And no more of this "sounds metallic" bullshit people, ok?