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[mucoder]

Also, tonespace crashed as soon as I initialied the audio engine in Audiomulch.

Shamann, the Audio Mulch crash should be fixed in v1.0.144 (the same version that fixed the FL6 problem). You can download from KVR or from http://www.mucoder.net/tonespace/download

[larsby]

Repeatler (Windows) in FLStudio 6.08 is full of crackles.

Did you try the newest? thre can be crackles sometimes due to me not wanting to fade in/out recordings.

i got the same with the newest win version in eXT.. sounds like this
http://filexoom.com/files/15480/sounds/ ... r_test.mp3

first you can hear the loop while recording, afterwards the buffer playback. perhaps my athlon 64 is causing this (still running xp 32 bit btw)?
also i noticed that it records 2 bars unlike the 1 bar as described in the manual..

*bump*

Sorry I missed this.
Yes it is not the crackles I was talking about, I'm currently looking at the waveform scratching my head as to was is going on here.
Could you please try one thing for me?
Use the silence function and go a full length of silence before recording the loop.

Also what timesignature are you guy's using in ext?

Sorrry to have missed this before.

[R.A.W.]

Use the silence function and go a full length of silence before recording the loop.

i tried this, no change.

Also what timesignature are you guy's using in ext?

4/4

but it must have something to do with eXT as i just tried in live 5.2.2 and it worked flawless.
while i checked i noticed two differences between repeatler running in live and eXT that might help you track this:
1. in eXT (main window and sequencer) repeatler starts to run right away after inserting though the transport is not running
2. the pink cursor runs at double-speed in eXT (leading to some kind of lofi timestretch which is quite cool )

Sorrry to have missed this before.

no need to feel sorry - we get these toys for free (besides the prize money donation).
at least i now know that i can use it in live.

[Urs]

Hiya,

I'm pretty busy (3 more plugin releases this month, phoook) so I'm only superficially following threads here...

I know of following problems with Triple Cheese:

- on/off of modules doesn't save with preset/song (fixable)
- modulation of tone parameter doesn't work with Pluck models (fixable)
- Big Waste Of Screen Estate in Live 6 Mac (fixable)
- No worky in MacOSX prior 10.3.9, Windows prior 2k (probably not fixable)

The things I know will be fixed soonishly. If there's more, please send an email to urs at u-he period com with the subject "[3CHEESE] Yet Another Bug" and I'll put it on my list.

Have fun,

Urs

[larsby]

Use the silence function and go a full length of silence before recording the loop.

i tried this, no change.

Also what timesignature are you guy's using in ext?

4/4

but it must have something to do with eXT as i just tried in live 5.2.2 and it worked flawless.
while i checked i noticed two differences between repeatler running in live and eXT that might help you track this:
1. in eXT (main window and sequencer) repeatler starts to run right away after inserting though the transport is not running
2. the pink cursor runs at double-speed in eXT (leading to some kind of lofi timestretch which is quite cool )

Sorrry to have missed this before.

no need to feel sorry - we get these toys for free (besides the prize money donation).
at least i now know that i can use it in live.

Thanx mate, these are all good and supervaluable hints as to what has gone wrong. And I think I might know now. I have one last request though Could you try to run ext as a plugin instead of standalone? if it's just in tobybears minihost then load repeatler inside of it?
I think this is the problem with eXt not sending enough timeinfo when in standalone mode but it uses the master host's info to send forth when in pluginmode.
I did a workaround that kind of figures that you are running 120bpm 4/4 but nothing overly fancy. Thought I rememberd reading that that issue should have been fixed in eXt as of late but I might have been dreaming.
I'll test this myself when I get home, though even if I have a connection home I have no sound and thi error is kind of hard to debug without hearing if its doing stuff correctly

whoh, that turned into a novel

[PTV]

Could you try to run ext as a plugin instead of standalone?

I've tried it in eXT VST inside AudioMulch - working great.
eXT standalone - no good.

[larsby]

Could you try to run ext as a plugin instead of standalone?

I've tried it in eXT VST inside AudioMulch - working great.
eXT standalone - no good.

Then it is that problem, to bad, have to update the manual stating that it wont work in eXt standalone.

I will se if I can manage a workaround for you eXt guys, but the chances are slim that it will be a satisfying solution. better to start eXt in another host

[PTV]

I will se if I can manage a workaround for you eXt guys, but the chances are slim that it will be a satisfying solution. better to start eXt in another host

Or use it inside extVST inside eXT standalone - just tried it and it works

[larsby]

Haha, that's weird

Thanx for all the help.

[Vonbrucken]

pentium 4 intel /3Ghz and 1024mb of ram
host : fl studio 6.4





also with Buzzrizer when the peak meter rise its maximum (highest level and the meter is all red )
big crash
there is an overload in the cpu activity that imply a total cut in the sound , so we have to load the plugin again or simply disable it in order to still have some sound

edit : oh no it seems that it can happen in other cases
so maybe the developer should test his plugin in some extreme levels situations

i repeat it the developer could answer me to this ?
it is soon the end of the vote am i the only one experiencing these troubles ?

[Okke]

Maybe it has been said but I can't open Tonespace in Live 6, after scanning it does not exists as a plugin that I can load.

- I'm trying the .net upgrade now but I think that's a bit weird to try out a plugin

- Works flawlessly now, interesting plugin!

( but what did I just install )

Now my problem is that the chords always resets to 'custom' when I move my Cursor
and, when I play a midi note it does not trigger a chord (?)

[mucoder]

- Works flawlessly now, interesting plugin!

Thanks for trying, Okke!

( but what did I just install )

don't be alarmed; the .NET runtime is comparable to the Java VM runtime. It is needed to run programs written in C# (or a mix of C# and C++ in the case of tonespace). It does not affect the rest of your system and the runtime is only loaded whenever you run a program that needs it.

Now my problem is that the chords always resets to 'custom' when I move my Cursor
and, when I play a midi note it does not trigger a chord (?)

OK, my fault for lack of a proper tutorial(working on it),
but you might try this for starters:

set SPACE to M2-P4 (2:5)
set DISPLAY to scale degree/midi note
set SCALE to Blues Pentatonic
set KEY to G (or choose another one you like)
set CH ASSIST to Fit triad to space (or dyad, tetrachord)
set ON INPUT to Trigger chord at cursor

then click on any colored cell and a chord should be played. Move your mouse while holding down the left button and more chords will be played.

Instead of clicking a cell you can also just point to a cell and play a key on your midi keyboard at the same time. In that case tonespace triggers the chord using the velocity of your keyboard but using the root note that you point at with the mouse. This is useful for getting the rhythm and dynamics from a keyboard, while getting the chord progressions from tonespace. (note: make sure that you set 'Monitor' to 'In' in Live and enable also your keyboard as midi input for the track that holds the tonespace plugin).

Alternatively, you could set ON INPUT to 'Trigger chord at note'. Then it is the keyboard note that you played that is used as root note for the chord. However, in that case you don't benefit from the fact that simple geometric movements of the mouse (up/down/left/right, circle, etc) produce interesting chord progressions. It's more of a simple autoharmonizer in that case.

BTW, the midi input can come from a live keyboard but also from a midi track in your host. (note: set 'Monitor' to 'Auto' in Live in that case)

If you don't get any sound at all, maybe check first this page with setup instructions:
http://www.mucoder.net/tonespace/setup.htm

Tip
===
try putting a midi arpeggiator either in front of or after tonespace (the one in Ableton will do fine). Putting it in front will feed tonespace with a set of midi pulses which it will use to trigger chords wherever you point in the space. Putting it after tonespace will use the chord output from tonespace and arpeggiate it, which can also produce nice effects

[Okke]

Thanks Mucoder for your comments,

i really think I have an idea how Tonespace works, so in my case there is some kind of bug going on:

If I play a note with ON INPUT = 'Trigger chord at note' the CHORD always changes back to 'Major 2nd' when CH ASSIST is set to 'fit dyad to space', and to 'Custom 0_1_5' when CH ASSIST is set to 'fit triad to space',... etcetera. Apparently it is being reset or something.

With ON IPUT = 'Trigger chord at cursor' the exact same thing happens when I move my cursor from the particular note that I am pointing to. When I stay at one place and scroll my mouse wheel, I do however hear the different chords playing, so that's cool.

But this 'reseting behaviour' does make this plugin not really usable, at least with my setup. (Live6)

I hope this makes sense to you

[KFW]

similar but not exactly same GUI problem
installed, didn't work. installed .net, hosed other stuff, fixed, I think

just looking at it, no keyboard yet. mousing over the grid, it behaves as though a transition between chords was a signal to switch back to the "Custom 0_1_5" chord, regardless of what I'd set a moment earlier. Except on the right side of the grid, where it auto-selected the "Major 2nd". And they're both plug-ugly chords, and not a good demo, especially the 015 thing.

If I selected a chord type with the mouse in the drop-down, I got to play it once before it was replaced with one or the other of the above, depending on where on the grid I was.

same behavior in REAPER, VSThost, mulch

That, plus the dot.net burden, means I just wrote it off.

Good luck.

[mucoder]

Hi KFW,
I agree the default settings (chromatic scale, octaves space) do not lead to very useful chords. There is a very easy way out though, depending what you want to do.

1. if you like tonespace to generate chords for you, please choose another value for SPACE and another for SCALE. A good one is space M2-P4 (2:5) and scale BLUES PENTATONIC. Be sure CH ASSIST is set to FIT DYAD, TRIAD or TETRACHORD TO SPACE. There is a small video on http://www.mucoder.net/tonespace that shows exactly how this looks like. Other good spaces are Balzano (3:4) and Longuet-Higgins (4:7). Be sure to avoid the chromatic space though for this purpose.

2. if you'd rather like to hand-select the chord, you have to set CH ASSIST to MANUAL. You can then choose the chord using the mouse wheel while you play, and tonespace will never reset it.

Note also that the selection of chords is largely determined by the setting of the SPACE parameter. The M2-P4 (2:5) space is quite dark-sounding (lots of suspensions), whereas the Balzano and Longuet-Higgins spaces are more cheerful and classic-sounding. Another thing, tonespace does not follow classic rules for chord progressions, but rather uses an experimental algorithm based on proximity of tone cells within the spaces. Whether the outcome of this sounds ugly or interesting, is up to each user to decide. I can only advise to experiment a bit with various spaces until you maybe find one that suits your taste and music style.

In any case this is good feedback and I will consider other default settings for a future version. And hope you might give it a second try...