Experimental music defined

[dirty oscillators]

is that a boy or girl? what kind of inbred people are these?

Genesis P-Orridge would chew you up and spit you out. metaphysically speaking of course.

[eduardo_b]

that's exactly my point. composing and producing is a different experience than listening. listening comes from a whole different perspective, almost a naive perspective. there's no knowledge of what experimenting went on.

Yes, you're absolutely correct, but listeners don't judge music on what they don't know, but on what they hear. If it sounds experimental in the wtf is that sense...well...that's all they need to know.

sounds to me like you're just trying to make it a genre "because you say so."

Where did I say it was a genre. Oh, right, I didn't. I said that by being experimental, it wouldn't easily or even likely fit into existing genres. I suppose, in that respect, it could become a genre that's not any of the others. But I'm not saying it is. I really don't know.

[herodotus]

I think that this might have gotten overlooked, though perhaps not.

In any case, here it is again.

I thought herodotus' remark very insightful:

And it is quite easy to imagine experimental music that would not be at all alienating to most people. For example, just design a randomizer of some sort (many vst instruments have randomizer functions, especially samplers) that is restricted to playing only the notes of a standard pentatonic scale using only eighth notes at 100 bpm in 4/4 time.

From this perspective, experimental music doesn't have to sound weird or distateful. At the same time, experimental music doesn't show up on the charts tracking what the culture considers the best music to be had at any given time.

Thanks.

And in the spirit of friendly experimentation, I have uploaded the makings of a musical experiment that everyone can partake in.

experimental music kit

This is something very like what I described, only not.

It is a bunch of loops and an sfz mapping of them.

Every key between d#3 and e6 plays a loop that is coordinated around a tempo of 260 (or 130) beats a minute. The loops are all in tune with each other. Some are untuned percussion, some are little bits of melody, some are kick drums playing relentlessly on '1', some are synth-pulse loops.

But the fun part is that each type of loop comes in 4 different time signatures: 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, and 7/8.

If you hit any two (or 3 or 12) keys at exactly the same time, they will be rhythmically and harmonically coordinated, and will stay rhythmically coordinated indefinately, as the samples are cut to sample accurate proportions. The number of possible polyrhythms that can pop up are many.

There are also a couple of 4 beat and 8 beat backward cymbal crash samples for those who might just want to 'shake it', and need a cliche to establish communal cycles of tension and release.

Just unzip the above download and load the sfz file called 'polyrandom' into any sfz player. It works best if you have a keyboard with a latch function.

By the way, a few of the loops are sampled from Tim Conrady's Crystal patches.

[dirty oscillators]

okay i found him on youtube. sounds like some guitarish stuff doh but noprob.

hey maan? wheres the beat?

here you go:

[dirty oscillators]

Where did I say it was a genre. Oh, right, I didn't.

I would say the same applies to "experimental" music.

oh right, you didn't...

[eduardo_b]

Where did I say it was a genre. Oh, right, I didn't.

I would say the same applies to "experimental" music.

oh right, you didn't...

The same what...

Got anything of substance on the topic itself.

[dirty oscillators]

i'm sorry, is that a question?

[justin3am]

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Like Sonny and Cher
Like Martin and Lewis
They're a perfect pair.
Like Laurel and Hardy
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eduardo_b!

[dirty oscillators]

and from your original post:

So, do those who believe they are creating experimental music....

you keep talking about it as if it's a genre, and now you're saying you never said it was a genre?

[dirty oscillators]

Like Abbott and Costello
Like Sonny and Cher
Like Martin and Lewis
They're a perfect pair.
Like Laurel and Hardy
Like Fontanne and Lunt
They're perfectly mismatched
They're Dirty and... eduardo_b!

i don't get what the hell he's saying half the time, so it's probably just me. i read the shit that gets posted and it goes ON AND ON AND ON in circles...

[dirty oscillators]

whatever this is dumb... i have better things to do with my evening.

[vurt]

Got anything of substance on the topic itself.

do you have anything of substance to start a topic with?

[vurt]

whatever this is dumb... i have better things to do with my evening.

liar.

[debra1rlo]

whatever this is dumb... i have better things to do with my evening.

[dirty oscillators]

whatever this is dumb... i have better things to do with my evening.

liar.

you're right... but if it wasn't for people like you and Justin (and maybe a dozen others) i don't think i would be lying.