Vengeance Producer Suite: Metrum. DrumSynth

[Cyforce]

well, that's another base then of course. will have to watch the videos now ...

You don't test it, you don't see the videos but want to proselytize me in the price-issue?

[sonicfire]

8 pages......
next time instead of taking 20 USD for my plugins i take 200

[Jerome Ferry]

Seems like a simple version of Ultrabeat. And of course you can make all kind of percussion and other drum sounds with it. It's worth a try if money is not a matter.

[Compyfox]

i know, i did not say anything different. question remains: how are you able to say that one cannot use it to create other percussion elements whatsoever??

Well, not completely unusable, but actually...
What good does it bring to layer a "sine kick" below a hihat?

Of course you can turn the layer off, but I kind of miss other OSC types, like... white noise or pink noise, which is great for layering with Snares and Claps. According to the videos, you can't do that, there is only a Sine OSC that is already pre-done to sound like a kick (not even "raw", according to the video - saw several times in there that the attack/decay was at minimal settings, which should NOT turn into a kick).

Making it an easy layer tool for just snare/clap/hihat without the OSC is pretty boring if you ask me. And nothing that couldn't be done in RM4/RM5, Battery or similar drumsamplers.

have you tried it?

No, but watched all video demos. Was even tempted to read the manual, but I reverted from that. The "Manual creates a kick from scratch" video was more than enough info for me.

i'm being picky here as theres always a bashing going on when it comes to vengeance/refx products (no matter if they're good or bad), also this thread leans partly to that side (though i'm not blaming you in particular for that).

You should know KVR by now, shouldn't you?

letting aside that it's from vengeance, have you actually worked with it, have you felt how it behaves to make such a definitive statement?

I don't have time ATM to demo anything. On top of that, no demo available as it seems. I only watched the video, was like "wait, didn't I hear these "raw" samples already in VEC?". After understanding the concept, the thing kind of died for me - even though the concept is dead simple, no doubt about that.

and fvck if it's not new, it doesn't matter, if it delivers.
i'm not looking for something that invents the wheel, it's already there. i'm open for anything that enhances the smooth rolling of it.

For this, I'm sure it will be a killer app.

and yes i say it now, as someone has to clear that up: one can never have too many virtual analog synths's for just that reason ...

I have way too much already, no need for anything more as of this moment.

[raikard233]

I've not read all the pages but price and features are enough for me.
From my point of view an insult to the human intelligence.
Obviusly anyone set his price and anyone is free to buy it.
Bah.

[raikard233]

I think that's better to specify:

If you're a lazy producer and you need a fast way to find the right bassdrum perhaps this plugin can solve your problem, but hey, there are already tons of libraries with ready-to-use effected samples.

But i can't understand the use of this kind of plugin if you are into learning or simply you like to work with synthesizers.
There are a lot of techniques to obtain a kickdrum with which you can also learn synthesis methods.
In this case it's stupid to use pre-made products.

In the end I think that's a question of target.
This product, from my point of view isn't focused on people that want to do music themselves.
I can only see this product in hands of lazy people that are too lazy to create their sounds.

If it works well you pay only the time that saves to you. (remember, also a good sample library saves time!)
But you pay also this time to not learn something about synthesis in the same time.
Where's the real gain?

[brok landers]

well, that's another base then of course. will have to watch the videos now ...

You don't test it, you don't see the videos but want to proselytize me in the price-issue?

well, i was not the one complaining about the price without even having played with it, whether there's a demo or not, and that was what i was about. if there's no demo i'd complain about this fact, but not ramble on the price without indepthtly going into the product, to see what it is really like, as you just don't know, even if you read the specs.
for you to get something straight:
i am not defending the price in any way, as you say. all i did was questioning if you are actually in the position to judge about a product before even knowing it. i am not, even after seeing the videos and reading the specs, so i don't judge until i have the chance to try it. barking around based on a good portion of pure assumption simply won't help and isn't fair either.

[Nokenoku]

- then you can play them tonal, i couldnt do that before.

Lol ...



Looking at the plugin videos, it looks like it does nothing, which I couldn't do in FLStudio anyways. FLStudio .. that's a whole DAW by the way .. for LESS money than this plugin .. just an example ...

To be honest, I think Vengeance themself are the biggest competition for this thing. They have some excellent sample CDs with kicks, snares, claps, hats, etc. for the club-sector.
I see really no use for this plugin if you just buy a few of those CDs. There are more than enough kicks in them .. you'll find what you need within a few seconds. And if you want to tweak something, just use what your DAW/sampler is offering.

[Colonel Flashback]

I actually also dig the idea of this plug-in. At the moment i use bazzism for the ooomph and a sample on top.
Probably wouldn't be too complicated to create a clone in synthedit though, right freeware devs? Go, go, go

[glasgene]

I think that's better to specify:

If you're a lazy producer and you need a fast way to find the right bassdrum perhaps this plugin can solve your problem, but hey, there are already tons of libraries with ready-to-use effected samples.

But i can't understand the use of this kind of plugin if you are into learning or simply you like to work with synthesizers.
There are a lot of techniques to obtain a kickdrum with which you can also learn synthesis methods.
In this case it's stupid to use pre-made products.

I was thinking exactly the same, hopefully they may play around with the envelopes and the penny will drop

[raikard233]

I think that's better to specify:

If you're a lazy producer and you need a fast way to find the right bassdrum perhaps this plugin can solve your problem, but hey, there are already tons of libraries with ready-to-use effected samples.

But i can't understand the use of this kind of plugin if you are into learning or simply you like to work with synthesizers.
There are a lot of techniques to obtain a kickdrum with which you can also learn synthesis methods.
In this case it's stupid to use pre-made products.

I was thinking exactly the same, hopefully they may play around with the envelopes and the penny will drop

..but...also Ableton Live Simpler has envelopes!

[phazed]

Has any PC user demoed this?

[tibah]

- then you can play them tonal, i couldnt do that before.

Lol ...



Looking at the plugin videos, it looks like it does nothing, which I couldn't do in FLStudio anyways. FLStudio .. that's a whole DAW by the way .. for LESS money than this plugin .. just an example ...

To be honest, I think Vengeance themself are the biggest competition for this thing. They have some excellent sample CDs with kicks, snares, claps, hats, etc. for the club-sector.
I see really no use for this plugin if you just buy a few of those CDs. There are more than enough kicks in them .. you'll find what you need within a few seconds. And if you want to tweak something, just use what your DAW/sampler is offering.

+1

149€ for?

Something you already have when you just buy one sample cd of them and use any sampler. Easily done with (free) sampler Shortcircuit and your DAW tools.

I mean its clear that there isnt any synthesis going on, just sample-players that are named "osc", thats it. The fact that you can load own samples shows that too. Its like they recycled their material and gave it an own player.

If you have a look on official vengeance forum, there are loads that already ordered it and I dont get why, but they will mostly have Nexus and the VEC cds too. Must be this new area of lazy, preset-using producers with enough money of buying everything with the vengeance brand on it

[Mac Hine]

If somebody bought this, i would like to hear a review. I have vec1 and their electro sample cd:s and examples in videos were too much alike. I would like to hear more about sample content. Maby some different kind of sound examples about what you can do with it. I think that as they do not have a demo, they should give an audio damage guarantee for users...

[Tubbs]

I mean its clear that there isnt any synthesis going on,

wrong, the Sine body oscillator is real synthesis, and is deep like hell by the way. All effects and modulators are realtime as well.

The update policy is good as well: all updates are free, for example in 1 week there will be Multiband Sidechain v2.0 with loads of new features