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Chuck E. Jesus · Post by **Chuck E. Jesus** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:49 am

robojam wrote:If Kiss were to be judged on songs alone they would have been long, long forgotten.

Calling Doctor Love is a good, well written pop song...Kiss Alive is a great record, lots of good guit stuff, best versions of all the songs...and that's where i stand on Kiss...

seen them when i was a little kid and when i was well adult...enjoyed them much more as an adult (way better seats didn't hurt)...

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:51 am

As well with slight exception when ever a band appeared on tv during the 70's it was mostly lipsync'd.

I actually saw a number of concerts that were during the 70's and for all the talk claiming they didn't ELO definately lipsynced a few concerts that I was there to witness. They were / are still in denial about it and claim that the current videos of that time were overdubbed later which is why things don't appear in sync but I know better for having been there.

As for Kiss I was really too stoned to remember any of their concerts.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:57 am

I can remember certain-erm-shows that featured lip-sync quite a lot.

Shindig for one...does that date me?

ntom · Post by **ntom** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:59 am

I like KISS....

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:01 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
robojam wrote:If Kiss were to be judged on songs alone they would have been long, long forgotten.
Calling Doctor Love is a good, well written pop song...Kiss Alive is a great record, lots of good guit stuff, best versions of all the songs...and that's where i stand on Kiss...

seen them when i was a little kid and when i was well adult...enjoyed them much more as an adult (way better seats didn't hurt)...

Yeah that first live album was really good as were the albums that came before it. Then the orchestra was brought in...

I just think they lost their way pretty quickly. There was still the occasional good song, but albums beyond the mid 70s were mostly just horrible songwriting and dreadful arrangements IMO.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:07 am

tapper mike wrote:and for all the talk claiming they didn't ELO definately lipsynced a few concerts that I was there to witness.

I think I posted this somewhere here before, but some years back a guy I worked with told me about an ELO incident - he went to visit his parents in Italy and visited a friend at the venue that ELO had just played. His friend told him about how ELO banned everyone from backstage and they told the venue that they didn't want any recording equipment brought in by fans, etc.

Anyway, the friend was banned from backstage, but the venue's stage manager was allowed backstage and during the gig he walked around to check that none of his crew had sneaked backstage. When he went under the stage he found recording equipment running and assumed that someone was recording the gig without the band's approval. First thing he did was hit the stop button, but instead of stopping recording, about half of the sound on stage cut out - it was playing back a multitrack recording that was being mixed into the live sound at front of house....

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:15 am

Everything is fake. Wasn't it here on kvr that someone mentioned "post" and that is why everything sounds good on those concerts? I mean, you can't tell at the show because you are always too f...ed up to care.

vespers75 · Post by **vespers75** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:16 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
robojam wrote:If Kiss were to be judged on songs alone they would have been long, long forgotten.
Calling Doctor Love is a good, well written pop song...Kiss Alive is a great record, lots of good guit stuff, best versions of all the songs...and that's where i stand on Kiss...

seen them when i was a little kid and when i was well adult...enjoyed them much more as an adult (way better seats didn't hurt)...

I still remember listening to Love Gun on vinyl as a kid.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:24 am

I certainly wish this was fake

heffus · Post by **heffus** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:46 am

osiris wrote:What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.

Incredible.

ntom · Post by **ntom** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:11 am

osiris wrote:What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.

Thanks Heffus for surfacing this to most recent post! I didn't catch it the first time. Now I can be a real curmudgeon.

+1 on that!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:23 am

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:25 am

If anyone needs a lawn to get off ... here 'tis:

http://www.watching-grass-grow.com/

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:27 am

ZenPunkHippy wrote:If anyone needs a lawn to get off ... here 'tis:

http://www.watching-grass-grow.com/

See, even the fracking lawn mower is fake

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:26 am

But does rap hate include greats like RHCP, RATM, and henry rollins? Although I hope that kinda hate includes limp biscuit, nobody gave rap a worse name than that guy.

Get off my lawn!