HOBBITSES NO TAEK AWAY MAH PRESHUSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111oneoneoneeleventyoneone1111!!!!robojam wrote:
Improving music/keyboard skills... what to do
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
we have a winnerdebra1rlo wrote:decadence is teh bestest when u misuse it, otherwise ur not doin' it right!
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- addled muppet weed
- 111275 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
is the answer awesome too?SJ_Digriz wrote:I was wondering when that would get asked ... It's an awesome question...vurt wrote: where exactly then is the cutoff point between being a musician and not being a musician?
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
We'll probably never find outvurt wrote:is the answer awesome too?SJ_Digriz wrote:I was wondering when that would get asked ... It's an awesome question...vurt wrote: where exactly then is the cutoff point between being a musician and not being a musician?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
this thread has given me an idea for a new product...a mushroom shaped mirror so others can see what we see and how big their heads are 
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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Bronto Scorpio Bronto Scorpio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=98170 - KVRAF
- 5546 posts since 13 Feb, 2006 from Wiesmoor, Germany
Hink wrote:this thread has given me an idea for a new product...a mushroom shaped mirror so others can see what we see and how big their heads are
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- KVRAF
- 7827 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
I'm learning a new song today. It's challenging though not the fastest song I've ever learned. It requires some self discipline. I'm doing it in an unfamiliar tuning. I carry with me a standard of excellence how well I perform the song matters to me. I know when I perform well and when I perform poorly. I gain enjoyment when I perform well. I also know that the things I learn as a form of muscle memory will affect my playing and treatment of other songs that I may write or improvise on. Most stuff comes easier to me now because I've done the hard work to get to where I am. The stuff that doesn't come easy, well it just means I have to work harder to get there. I understand that. My standard of excellence and my prior successes tell me that if I work at it rather then wish it I'll get to where I'll need to be.
Sure, I don't need to learn a new song or in a way that is completely foreign to me. Having more learning experience expands on creative abilities not diminishes them. Being aware of your own skills as a musician and the skills other musicians have and understanding how they got to that level of musicianship. Then accepting with humility that maybe you aren't there yet and applying yourself to the goal is the first step in a long journey. Musicians are humble in the acceptance that they couldn't do all the things they may be able to do now through hard work. If they seem a little egotistical because they speak the musician speak and can operate in the collective musical mind. It's because they applied themselves. They know how the game is played on they play by the rules. Tempo, timing, key, chords. Working with others. Even substitution has best practices.
You can call yourself Mother Goose. That doesn't make you a real goose. And the real geese as well as the ganders will know.
About Work
Heck getting out of bed is work. Maybe not hard work but it does require energy.
Sometimes work is fun. Sometimes it's not. I don't have to take a shower, brush my teeth change my underwear. No one has to do anything. If you think you have to you'll might be putting up more of an effort to avoid it then it takes to do the thing. I want to go to work today. I want to go because having a roof over my head and food in my stomach are things I want and believe I need. Sure I could always starve to death in the frigid wilderness. Even hermits want to eat, the don't have to the option of starving is there for them if they choose it. So you don't have to work to get better or even maintain the same level of musicianship you've always had. However if it's something that you want. Well that means you want to not have to do the things required to make that a reality.
So if you treat anything as "Having to" You don't have to. It's okay you don't "have to" answer to yourself or anyone else.
I just had some popcorn because I wanted it. I didn't wish it and I didn't have to eat it. I enjoyed the popcorn. The popcorn didn't magically appear. I bought the popcorn I wanted to buy the popcorn because I wanted to eat the popcorn. The popcorn didn't cook itself I didn't have to cook the popcorn but If really wanted the popcorn so I wanted to cook the popcorn. Conclusion. If you really want something then you also want the things to happen that put it in place.
Now lets talk about needs.
Do you need to be a musician? Do you need the acceptance of being a musician? No. Needy people need things. Are you a needy or needful person? People prioritize needs over wants. If you don't need something then it's less of a priority in your life then things you do need. People don't always get what they want even if they plan for it and work towards it. When I was buying popcorn I also wanted coffee. Not just any coffee my favorite brand of coffee.
I wanted it really bad but I didn't need it. They were out. I'm addicted to coffee. I need coffee. So I choose a different brand. If I couldn't live without the brand and I was needful of it to complete me I wouldn't have simply accepted something less. I would have gone out on foot walking 6 to 10 to 20 or even 30 miles because I needed my favorite brand of coffee. But I didn't need my favorite brand of coffee enough. I only needed coffee.
You can't always get what you want. But sometimes you can get what you need.
to summarize
You don't HAVE TO anything.
If you are a wishful person you can wish your life away never coming close to that thing.
If you are a wanting person you accept that there are stages to getting it and wanting makes those stages a reality.
If you are a needful person. Then you focus on the desired thing with everything you have and don't stop till you get it.
Me I'm not steve vai. I'm not so needful that I need to practice 12 to 16 hours a day. I was needful enough that I needed myself into the level of musicianship that I knew I'd need if I were to gain acceptance of my peers and retain a professional demeanor. I'm also wantful and right now I want to go back to learning this song that I want to learn. Not just wish I could.
Sure, I don't need to learn a new song or in a way that is completely foreign to me. Having more learning experience expands on creative abilities not diminishes them. Being aware of your own skills as a musician and the skills other musicians have and understanding how they got to that level of musicianship. Then accepting with humility that maybe you aren't there yet and applying yourself to the goal is the first step in a long journey. Musicians are humble in the acceptance that they couldn't do all the things they may be able to do now through hard work. If they seem a little egotistical because they speak the musician speak and can operate in the collective musical mind. It's because they applied themselves. They know how the game is played on they play by the rules. Tempo, timing, key, chords. Working with others. Even substitution has best practices.
You can call yourself Mother Goose. That doesn't make you a real goose. And the real geese as well as the ganders will know.
About Work
Heck getting out of bed is work. Maybe not hard work but it does require energy.
Sometimes work is fun. Sometimes it's not. I don't have to take a shower, brush my teeth change my underwear. No one has to do anything. If you think you have to you'll might be putting up more of an effort to avoid it then it takes to do the thing. I want to go to work today. I want to go because having a roof over my head and food in my stomach are things I want and believe I need. Sure I could always starve to death in the frigid wilderness. Even hermits want to eat, the don't have to the option of starving is there for them if they choose it. So you don't have to work to get better or even maintain the same level of musicianship you've always had. However if it's something that you want. Well that means you want to not have to do the things required to make that a reality.
So if you treat anything as "Having to" You don't have to. It's okay you don't "have to" answer to yourself or anyone else.
I just had some popcorn because I wanted it. I didn't wish it and I didn't have to eat it. I enjoyed the popcorn. The popcorn didn't magically appear. I bought the popcorn I wanted to buy the popcorn because I wanted to eat the popcorn. The popcorn didn't cook itself I didn't have to cook the popcorn but If really wanted the popcorn so I wanted to cook the popcorn. Conclusion. If you really want something then you also want the things to happen that put it in place.
Now lets talk about needs.
Do you need to be a musician? Do you need the acceptance of being a musician? No. Needy people need things. Are you a needy or needful person? People prioritize needs over wants. If you don't need something then it's less of a priority in your life then things you do need. People don't always get what they want even if they plan for it and work towards it. When I was buying popcorn I also wanted coffee. Not just any coffee my favorite brand of coffee.
I wanted it really bad but I didn't need it. They were out. I'm addicted to coffee. I need coffee. So I choose a different brand. If I couldn't live without the brand and I was needful of it to complete me I wouldn't have simply accepted something less. I would have gone out on foot walking 6 to 10 to 20 or even 30 miles because I needed my favorite brand of coffee. But I didn't need my favorite brand of coffee enough. I only needed coffee.
You can't always get what you want. But sometimes you can get what you need.
to summarize
You don't HAVE TO anything.
If you are a wishful person you can wish your life away never coming close to that thing.
If you are a wanting person you accept that there are stages to getting it and wanting makes those stages a reality.
If you are a needful person. Then you focus on the desired thing with everything you have and don't stop till you get it.
Me I'm not steve vai. I'm not so needful that I need to practice 12 to 16 hours a day. I was needful enough that I needed myself into the level of musicianship that I knew I'd need if I were to gain acceptance of my peers and retain a professional demeanor. I'm also wantful and right now I want to go back to learning this song that I want to learn. Not just wish I could.
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
Nobody has questioned that making (good) music is hard work. Sometimes it can be fun, too, but most times it's more work than fun. Studying music theory and production techniques are work, too. If I work for months to create a whole song, why I shouldn't be aloud to call myself "musician"? Because I've made a filter sweep?:shock:
Someone who just stacks 4 loops of a construction kit together, that's not a musician. Someone who creates only filter sweeps isn't, either. Someone who works as a DJ, doesn't have to be a musician at all. But everyone who creates a whole song or part of a song, actually is a musician.
Someone who just stacks 4 loops of a construction kit together, that's not a musician. Someone who creates only filter sweeps isn't, either. Someone who works as a DJ, doesn't have to be a musician at all. But everyone who creates a whole song or part of a song, actually is a musician.
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
Well this is a community of musicians, so for anyone to come along and try to exclude anyone here because they don't conform to their personal definition of what it takes to be a musician in their own mold is pretty arrogant in my book.
We're all musicians, because we love to create music. Simple as that - the dictionary doesn't set any minimum standards before the definition applies, so I don't see why individual feel that they have some sort of right to.
We're all musicians, because we love to create music. Simple as that - the dictionary doesn't set any minimum standards before the definition applies, so I don't see why individual feel that they have some sort of right to.
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- KVRAF
- 16733 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
See, I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.Hink wrote:this thread has given me an idea for a new product...a mushroom shaped mirror so others can see what we see and how big their heads are
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
REAL musician (or: "How many chords can you create with 3 pans?":hihi:):
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
robojam wrote:Hink, I think you just found a buyer for that mirror
are you saying someone is needy of such a mirror
perhaps I should start a group buy
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.