NI Update Transient Master & Vintage Compressors

[@midnight]

So, here's a big question that I've NEVER understood with comps like this.

Limiting. There seems to be no such thing as all of these (ni, ik, doesn't matter) DON'T LIMIT. I don't get it. Lots of stuff leaks through.

Why would you expect the compressors to limit everything?

That's the job of a "brickwall limiter" not a compressor. Some compressors (ie. The Glue) have limiters or clippers built in, but classic analog compressors certainly didn't brickwall anything, which is why the emulations don't.

[jam92189]

I actually love the transient master plugin. and I bought that premium tube series they came out with a little while ago it would have been nice if these where in that bundle to. just being greedy

[hibidy]

So, here's a big question that I've NEVER understood with comps like this.

Limiting. There seems to be no such thing as all of these (ni, ik, doesn't matter) DON'T LIMIT. I don't get it. Lots of stuff leaks through.

Why would you expect the compressors to limit everything?

That's the job of a "brickwall limiter" not a compressor. Some compressors (ie. The Glue) have limiters or clippers built in, but classic analog compressors certainly didn't brickwall anything, which is why the emulations don't.

Fair enough, but I cannot for the life of me understand what "limit" means in this context What's limited? Yes, I read the little manuals

[hibidy]

Not until you get the premium series

Neee.. Got Waves H-EQ instead, maybe next time.

orly? ever heard of

[jam92189]

Not until you get the premium series

Neee.. Got Waves H-EQ instead, maybe next time.

orly? ever heard of

Tube series is amazing

[hibidy]

Not until you get the premium series

Neee.. Got Waves H-EQ instead, maybe next time.

orly? ever heard of

Tube series is amazing

N/M, yeah, I'm thinking about demoing it

[jam92189]

Not until you get the premium series

Neee.. Got Waves H-EQ instead, maybe next time.

orly? ever heard of

Tube series is amazing

N/M, yeah, I'm thinking about demoing it

I really liked the passive eq and vari comp. enhanced eq is nice on kicks and snare. but the new sknote compressor kind of makes the new comps they came out with not really needed for me right now because it can do so much and still keep the feel and punch

[jam92189]

So, here's a big question that I've NEVER understood with comps like this.

Limiting. There seems to be no such thing as all of these (ni, ik, doesn't matter) DON'T LIMIT. I don't get it. Lots of stuff leaks through.

Why would you expect the compressors to limit everything?

That's the job of a "brickwall limiter" not a compressor. Some compressors (ie. The Glue) have limiters or clippers built in, but classic analog compressors certainly didn't brickwall anything, which is why the emulations don't.

Fair enough, but I cannot for the life of me understand what "limit" means in this context What's limited? Yes, I read the little manuals

limit as in 10:1 or more. but unless its a brick wall limiter it wont always catch all the peaks

[hibidy]

That makes sense. To me, it's kinda a oxymoron. If that many peaks are going to get through, then "limit" or "limiter" doesn't make much sense though. I still haven't figured out what "limiter" on the VC2A benefits me at all Too many peaks get through (I'm hella anal about clipping on ANY meters!)

[jam92189]

That makes sense. To me, it's kinda a oxymoron. If that many peaks are going to get through, then "limit" or "limiter" doesn't make much sense though. I still haven't figured out what "limiter" on the VC2A benefits me at all Too many peaks get through (I'm hella anal about clipping on ANY meters!)

well brick wall tech was not invented yet back then remember that came later and music was not as loud back then maybe it was like a way to make the dynamics stay in one place better I dont know

[kmonkey]

What's limited? Yes, I read the little manuals

Hm...if you read manualas you would now by now that the answer is peaks. I was actually shocked when i saw that you asked a question in context of not knowing difference between compression and brickwall limiting (and difference between the two) because i know that you are here for a long time (as i am). Blasphemy for long KVRian..Blasphemy!!

Stop making music and learn something

(it's a joke)

[jam92189]

What's limited? Yes, I read the little manuals

Hm...if you read manualas you would now by now that the answer is peaks. I was actually shocked when i saw that you asked a question in context of not knowing difference between compression and brickwall limiting (and difference between the two) because i know that you are here for a long time (as i am). Blasphemy for long KVRian..Blasphemy!!

Stop making music and learn something

(it's a joke)

ha

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

That makes sense. To me, it's kinda a oxymoron. If that many peaks are going to get through, then "limit" or "limiter" doesn't make much sense though. I still haven't figured out what "limiter" on the VC2A benefits me at all Too many peaks get through (I'm hella anal about clipping on ANY meters!)

Keep in mind that 1) the classic definition of "limiting" is essentially "compressing at ratios of 10:1 or higher," 2) brickwall/peak limiting is fairly new and not the classic use of limiting (which was meant as dynamics control), and 3) the kind of peaks you're talking about the limiter letting through wouldn't even have showed up on VU meters. Peaks just weren't as big of a concern in the analog days, at least probably not until cutting to vinyl. That's why limiters like the 1176 (it's called a "limiting amplifier"), the LA-2A in limit mode, the Fairchild 670, etc. will all still let peaks through. If you don't want peaks to get through, you should be using a different tool.

[hibidy]

You guy rawk.

Silly me, limiting means to limit. Simply having a higher ratio doesn't mean "limit" to me.

Anyways, I have found highly useful NOT LIMITING ( ) places for these so I'm pretty happy I stumbled across them and this price.

[bmanic]

That makes sense. To me, it's kinda a oxymoron. If that many peaks are going to get through, then "limit" or "limiter" doesn't make much sense though. I still haven't figured out what "limiter" on the VC2A benefits me at all Too many peaks get through (I'm hella anal about clipping on ANY meters!)

It's just what it was called back in the day. Remember, true brick wall limiters like we know them today didn't exist before waves basically invented it with the L1 maximizer back in the 90's.

In the analogue domain it is virtually impossible to create a true brick-wall limiter.

The VCA2A is labelled like the original unit from the 60's. Don't look at the labels or think of it as an ordinary compressor.. it's weird and wonderful. Use it for what it is, not for what you might think it is.

Cheers!
bManic