Roland now into VSTi development, beginning with SH-101

[Frantz]

I havent read anywhere that the 'plugouts' will run inside a host as a vst instrument...anyone got a link?

There's this article but it's not really clear:

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/02/r ... need-know/

Roland is starting with an SH-101 soft synth. You can run it in your host on your Mac or PC. Then, you can disconnect your SYSTEM-1 from your computer, and keep running the SH-101 model on the keyboard.

I am hoping they will just sell plugins. I don't want the System-1 keyboard dongle.

[kmonkey]

You guys should not expect VST...It's very likely optimized for Hardware SYSTEM-1 ONLY. It's a guess, better to wait official but i am expecting these new roland plugs only on hardware. For some reason i don't believe that Roland would deal with all bug reporting, bug fixing, and whatnot, across VST platfrom. Rather then that they will most likely focus only on their own system. I may be wrong but that is what i am expecting.

[Kriminal]

Im not fussed about vst...i assumed you just use the pc to load diff models into the hardware synth....for me its all about the hands on experience


wait and see

[fmr]

You guys should not expect VST...It's very likely optimized for Hardware SYSTEM-1 ONLY. It's a guess, better to wait official but i am expecting these new roland plugs only on hardware. For some reason i don't believe that Roland would deal with all bug reporting, bug fixing, and whatnot, across VST platfrom. Rather then that they will most likely focus only on their own system. I may be wrong but that is what i am expecting.

That's what I've been saying. All this talk and shouting is just speculation based on confusing terms. Besides, what the hell does this mean?:

Roland is starting with an SH-101 soft synth. You can run it in your host on your Mac or PC.

You can run it on your host on you Mac or PC?
What do they mean by "run"? What host? What if my host is Logic Pro X (64-bit only AU)? Does it run? What about Pro Tools 10? Will it be AAX?

IMO, this is just small talk to make noise around. Nothing official and explicit has been said to clarify the situation. If and when they officially announce what their plans are for development, then we can talk.

Even then, we have to take their words with some salt, considering what the past teached us.

[chk071]

You guys should not expect VST...It's very likely optimized for Hardware SYSTEM-1 ONLY. It's a guess, better to wait official but i am expecting these new roland plugs only on hardware. For some reason i don't believe that Roland would deal with all bug reporting, bug fixing, and whatnot, across VST platfrom.

Not to forget having to deal with warez too. I can't imagine them doing normal VST's too.

[Frantz]

Not to forget having to deal with warez too. I can't imagine them doing normal VST's too.

Well, Korg does normal VSTs, it's not impossible. But I agree they seem to be pushing hardware so I am not expecting standalone plugins. I am not opposed to buying a keyboard but I would want velocity sensitivity. Unfortunately, Roland has prioritized blinking lights.

[fmr]

Not to forget having to deal with warez too. I can't imagine them doing normal VST's too.

Well, Korg does normal VSTs, it's not impossible. But I agree they seem to be pushing hardware so I am not expecting standalone plugins. I am not opposed to buying a keyboard but I would want velocity sensitivity. Unfortunately, Roland has prioritized blinking lights.

This will basically be a sound module with keys. They should have done (at least as an option) a regular desktop module, with just the controllers. And a "VST" to control it inside our DAW (that, I would welcome)

[Frantz]

This will basically be a sound module with keys.

Yes but it's a digital sound module with a maximum polyphony of 4 voices. These limitations (polyphony, no velocity) will make it affordable for young producas. It will no doubt be a big hit.

I hope they eventually bring out a keyboard/sound module geared towards grumpy, old men like me: decent polyphony, able to run vintage emulations and next gen stuff, etc.

[Ingonator]

This will basically be a sound module with keys.

Yes but it's a digital sound module with a maximum polyphony of 4 voices. These limitations (polyphony, no velocity) will make it affordable for young producas. It will no doubt be a big hit.

The standard synth called "System-1" has 4 voice polyphony and that one is quite complex (all features that you see at the interface). That does not mean that plug-out synths wil have the same limitation.


Ingo

[Frantz]

The standard synth called "System-1" has 4 voice polyphony and that one is quite complex (all features that you see at the interface).

A synth with one envelope and one LFO is quite complex?

EDIT: OK, I just realized the filter has it's own envelope. It's still seems kind of basic.

[kmonkey]

Not to forget having to deal with warez too. I can't imagine them doing normal VST's too.

Well, Korg does normal VSTs, it's not impossible. But I agree they seem to be pushing hardware so I am not expecting standalone plugins. I am not opposed to buying a keyboard but I would want velocity sensitivity. Unfortunately, Roland has prioritized blinking lights.

No this is not entire truth. You should say something like: they tried it, but never did anything else after..I simply don't believe they adventure with VST turned out successful from the business perspective. I mean look here. How much does our KVR elite talk about them? Almost no talk about Korg VST synths. AFAIK their only activity in the last few years was porting that old code to Reason RE. Nothing new.

[kmonkey]

You can run it on your host on you Mac or PC?
What do they mean by "run"? What host? What if my host is Logic Pro X (64-bit only AU)? Does it run? What about Pro Tools 10? Will it be AAX?

I think like with other range of AIRA instruments that means that you can run it to your PC or Mac via USB. For example TR8 and TB and VT can stream sounds fro mUSB to your HOST at 96khz..

Not anything about being AAX or Pro tools..imho you should not expect it but we shall see..

[fmr]

This will basically be a sound module with keys.

Yes but it's a digital sound module with a maximum polyphony of 4 voices. These limitations (polyphony, no velocity) will make it affordable for young producas. It will no doubt be a big hit.

The standard synth called "System-1" has 4 voice polyphony and that one is quite complex (all features that you see at the interface). That does not mean that plug-out synths wil have the same limitation.

Ingo

It's a good synth, but not "that" complex. It has two interesting oscillators (the continuously variable wave makes like it has a kind of PWM for all waveforms - something that seems close to what was already in the JP-8000, if I'm not mistaken), plus sub-osc and noise. It has a LFP with 12 or 24dB slope with resonance and a high pass filter without resonance (why not a multimode filter?). It has two envelopes, one LFO and effects. It's more or less on pair with the JP-8000, which was 8 voice polyphonic and already had a multimode filter, delay and chorus (this one has reverb and delay). Interesting, and I will evaluate it, but considering what I described, how much power would you think is there to fuel something like a Jupiter-8 model?

Based on what they told in the videos I watched, apparently they are thinking this for models of simpler synths like the SH-2 and the Promars (both quoted as possible successors to the already mentioned SH-101).

[kmonkey]

The standard synth called "System-1" has 4 voice polyphony and that one is quite complex (all features that you see at the interface).

A synth with one envelope and one LFO is quite complex?

EDIT: OK, I just realized the filter has it's own envelope. It's still seems kind of basic.

Dude don't be silly. Yes if you look on it, you have range of controls which seems "basic" but which with the combination of another button can store entire bank of controls. Which is something used quite often actually on midi controllers. There is more to it i am sure.

Anyway or other i prefer simplicity. Less is more.

[Frantz]

No this is not entire truth. You should say something like: they tried it, but never did anything else after..I simply don't believe they adventure with VST turned out successful from the business perspective. I mean look here. How much does our KVR elite talk about them? Almost no talk about Korg VST synths. AFAIK their only activity in the last few years was porting that old code to Reason RE. Nothing new.

I think Korg has been way ahead of Roland in terms of products geared towards electronic musicians. They have had plugins of their old analog and digital synths available for ages. They released an analog MS20. They have the Volca stuff. They have a new iPad app Gadget that a lot of people like.

It's true that Korg are not focused on plugins but they are doing exciting stuff all the time. It's like Roland just found out that electronic music is a big thing.