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DrumAddict · Post by **DrumAddict** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:35 pm

ooohhh , good to know that there are no license transfer , so i definetly pass on this , sorry

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:15 pm

DrumAddict wrote:ooohhh , good to know that there are no license transfer , so i definetly pass on this , sorry

Same here. Nothing personal. I just like to know if/when I get laid off I have stuff I can sell.

-Sam

Gucky · Post by **Gucky** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:56 pm

Is there a demo version of Wavemapper 2?
I cannot find it on Wolfgang Palms internet page.

Aural Chaos · Post by **Aural Chaos** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:59 pm

He said on FB that demo is coming next week....

Gucky · Post by **Gucky** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:07 pm

Great! Thank you.

firepile · Post by **firepile** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:17 pm

Is the copy protection C/R?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:25 pm

firepile wrote:Is the copy protection C/R?

For Wavemapper 2 there is a code that has to be entered and is checked by online validation.
If you re-install (e.g. with a new version like i had to do many times during the tests) the installer will automatically display the entered code and you just have to click at the "Validate" button to further proceed with the installer.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:48 pm

masterhiggins wrote:
DrumAddict wrote:ooohhh , good to know that there are no license transfer , so i definetly pass on this , sorry
Same here.
-Sam

Same here. Shame looked interesting.

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:20 pm

masterhiggins wrote:
DrumAddict wrote:ooohhh , good to know that there are no license transfer , so i definetly pass on this , sorry
Same here. Nothing personal. I just like to know if/when I get laid off I have stuff I can sell.

I fear Mr. Palm may have fallen in love with the Apple AppStore model which guarantees no returns, exchanges or transfers to the seller, a practice which IMO shouldn't apply to professional applications. Note that as a result they've had to price Logic Pro's selling price around the price you'd pay for upgrade pricing on the other side of the fence. Plus in the Apple world there's no demos, unless the dev starts including in-app purchases; but the free version/in-app purchase model doesn't apply to all software and in many cases can't give a a clear picture of a software's true capabilities. Also upgrades are paid for in our world, whereas in the Apple world they simply don't exist and a new app has to be created. There's much not to like about this model not the least of which is its adoption by others outside the Apple world.

However there's quite a difference between apps that usually max out at around $50 and sell for typically well below that, and professional applications that inhabit complex computer ecosystems and are sold for much more. One thing it does for the dev is simplify user administration. But speaking for myself and possibly the many honest people here and elsewhere who purchase all their music software legitimately, it precludes the possibility of using software for a time, finding it doesn't fit our tastes anymore, and selling/transferring to another with some losses; I don't even mind a reasonable transfer fee for the dev's administrative footwork.

I hope Mr. Palm reconsiders this. I'm very interested in his software, but a NFR at these prices has me on the fence too. Certainly a fully working time-limited demo is going to be essential.

BTW: I do understand why sample-based products usually have an NFR status; but outside of that I've been completely against it for more expensive pro software. Thankfully, few music software companies have adopted this stance, and I think I do business with only 2 of them whose products I purchased for under 30 euro. BTW, isn't this an "illegal" practice now in Europe?

Aural Chaos · Post by **Aural Chaos** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:43 pm

OT, but people get refunds from the AppStore all the time....

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:43 pm

Breeze wrote:But speaking for myself and possibly the many honest people here and elsewhere who purchase all their music software legitimately, it precludes the possibility of using software for a time, finding it doesn't fit our tastes anymore, and selling/transferring to another with some losses; I don't even mind a reasonable transfer fee for the dev's administrative footwork.

I wouldn't mind it so much if it weren't for the insane demo period. 7 days? WTF.

-Sam

Breeze · Post by **Breeze** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:10 am

Aural Chaos wrote:OT, but people get refunds from the AppStore all the time....

I did manage to do it once, but it took a couple back and forths with some diplomatically threatening language to alter their initial OOTB answer which is "there are are no refunds on the App Store". Maybe this has changed? Is the more recent EULA more lenient in this regards?

masterhiggins wrote:I wouldn't mind it so much if it weren't for the insane demo period. 7 days? WTF.
-Sam

That's a little short, and may not coincide with everyone's free time. Maybe it can be extended by request.

arakula · Post by **arakula** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:44 am

Breeze wrote:BTW, isn't this an "illegal" practice now in Europe?

No, since it's not a physical product, like a box with a CD and a manual would be.

What you're buying is a license to install a downloadable piece of software on one computer. A reasonable number of further licenses for use on other machines is available for free upon request, BTW.
The laws for tangible products don't apply here.

Anyway, we're thinking about a way how this could be done. Tthe current process doesn't provide any means for a license transfer, but maybe we can work around it.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:47 am

arakula wrote:
Breeze wrote:BTW, isn't this an "illegal" practice now in Europe?
No, since it's not a physical product, like a box with a CD and a manual would be.

Physical isn't relevant...
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs ... 0094en.pdf

arakula · Post by **arakula** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:15 am

Interesting, thank you!

On first read-through, however, it still doesn't apply, since you can't download the software from the web site. You get a download link for your personal copy that expires after 3 uses. Plus, the license is tied to a physical machine. Would need a ***ing lawyer to find out whether it's relevant or not...

[Edit:] also, based on what I've read in the meantime, this isn't part of German law yet, but I might be mistaken here. The Internet is full of contradicting information

Wolfgang Palm WaveMapper 2 is out for PC and MAC