Korg Volca FM ... [details about 'smart' midi cable to solve MIDI Velocity issue inside]

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So I received my Volca FM .... first impressions:

I've been a Volca early-adopter for all of the Volcas, I love the concept and I think they represent great value for money. The Volca FM is probably my favourite Volca now.

It sounds great to my ears and of course it's a joy to have such a diverse sound palette in the Volca paradigm - the Sampler doesn't quite offer the same diversity since it can't actually Sample and loading it with samples is a bit of a pain in the hole, but is surely the runner up in the 'diversity' factor.

Editing/Creating the sounds is much more immediate than I was expecting. A third of the parameters you will learn almost immediately, the second third after an hour of usage, and the final third after a couple hours. And navigating amongst the different operators and their specific params is pretty quick and like I said more immediate than I was expecting.

The only thing that will take time to wrap your head around is the Algorithms - but this is not a problem unique to the Volca FM, this is related to FM Synthesis generally... there's 32 algos and learning how certain patch settings will effect the sound using a particular Algo will take, you know, years of practise for the average joe. BUT - you don't really need to know explicitly, as far as I'm concerned... it's enough to choose an Algo, and start editing the params to see what you get. And of course, simply switching Algos once you've created a patch to see how other Algos sound. A bit aleatoric, or serendipitous, but at least the complexity of FM Synthesis won't hold you back from making cool sounds. of course, YMMV.

The Volca FM comes with a card (which is the same size as a Volca footprint) with the parameter list on one side, and the Algorithm designs on the other. Like I said, you will, relatively quicky and through use, end up not needing the card for the parameters but you will probably want to have the card around for the Algorithm designs... you will need not only a very good (if not excellent) memory but also a very solid understanding of FM to be able to tell what Algorithm 17 (for example) looks like, without the card. Of course, there's nothing stopping you from sound designing without knowing what the Algo looks like. But if you want to know, you'll probably want to have the card around or a picture of it on a smartphone or something. Of course if you are determined, learning the Algo designs is not a super-human feat or anything.


The Chorus effect was a nice edition, definitely worth adding and more useful than a delay or other generic FX they might have added in lieu.

Tempo goes quite slow, offering 1/1 - 1/2 - 1/4 timing divisions.

The arp is basic, but a great addition. Not much more to say on that. Pity there is no 'latch' or 'hold' function, though you can essentially achieve the same thing if you record the notes into a pattern. I still would have liked a latch. If you're in to it, the fact you can sequence its (basic) params can lead to some 'far out' results. Would also have been kool if you could commit the notes of the arp's output to the pattern as 'raw' note data. Maybe I need to RTFM, but from first uses this seems not to be on offer.

A pattern is tied to whatever sound program you are using, and if you switch from one pattern to another it does so seamlessly without starting at the beginning of the next pattern but rather continuing from the same position. This is kool, particularly if each pattern is tied to different sound programs - the switch is immediate, with no gap that I could detect. You can chain patterns by leaving your finger on a pattern number and selecting another one... but it appears the patterns chain consecutively... so if you're holding pattern 9, and select pattern 12, it will chain 9 - 10 - 11 - 12. I need to RTFM on this, since I'd prefer to have the option to simply chain 9 - 12 in this scenario, and not the patterns in between. I'm doubtful this default behaviour can be changed, but like I said - I need to RTFM ( it's a small manual btw - a sheet of paper really, I just haven't read it yet :hihi: )

The sequencer is as you'd expect from a volca, though I haven't played with the warp step function.

I've uploaded a demo...
Daags Does Demos wrote:A demonstration of a single pattern on the Korg Volca FM. The pattern features recorded note data plus 'motion data' i.e the parameter knob tweaks. the demo starts off with a couple of keys to show the sound of the current program (which is one of the factory programs) that is saved with the pattern. then i start the sequencer. you can hear quite profound changes to timbre owing to the fact i have sequenced the algorithm selector knob. after a couple of bars of the original pattern, i change the program (patch/preset) to the 1st program in the program bank that comes included with the Korg Volca FM. I cycle through the entire factory bank, with the same pattern sequencing each new program - lingering on those programs that sound the most pleasing to my ears in combination with the current pattern. The audio levels have been set so that the loudest program + pattern combo doesn't clip, with no compression or any other fx - just a straight line-out recording. As a result some programs can be lower in volume than others owing in part to the nature of the pattern that is sequencing them - sequenced in a different way they would produce a louder volume. It's a long demo, and some programs can sound quite similar to others when driven by this particular pattern - so the demo may be grating after some time. I advise to skim through it if this occurs : )
https://soundcloud.com/daags_does_demos ... m-demo-001

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Thanks for the demo, it sounds really great!

I may have to get one of these after all. It seems to be really great for mid-90s Autechre-ish percussion like in this track (which is entirely FM based):
I've been using a quite messy Reaktor ensemble I made for that kind of stuff, but this little box seems to do the trick way more conveniently.

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I was all set to get one of these, but the lack of velocity is a dealbreaker for me. That just seems like a major oversight.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.

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Great demo! Korg is back-ordered and we're sold out of them, otherwise I'd have one for myself. FM that is easy-to-use, hands on, and great sounding is still completely unique (the DX200 had the first 2 covered but was inexplicably not so good sounding).

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I have a new theory on the FM and Minilogue availability. They're doing a Roland.

Korg have had enough time to ascertain correct sales demands and forecast new production runs. What they're doing now is artificially limiting demand (ie, Boutique style) to maintain interest and desirability.

Anybody remember the Cartman theme park?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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What seemed like a natural impulse buy and a sweet sparring partner for dx200 is now giving me second thoughts.
6ops on such a small thing...meh. So "unvolca".
As usual the price is right. Velo is ok for a groovebox and sysex is yawn.

Anyway, 5way volca power splitter coming right next week.

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NerdMcBoon wrote:Thanks for the demo, it sounds really great!

I may have to get one of these after all. It seems to be really great for mid-90s Autechre-ish percussion like in this track (which is entirely FM based
cheers,
yes it is definitely conducive to reaching those autechre vibes if you are so inclined ;)

because it's not just about being an FM synth, it's about the sum of its parts... every feature working together in a very fluid, intuitive fashion.

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deastman wrote:I was all set to get one of these, but the lack of velocity is a dealbreaker for me. That just seems like a major oversight.

well, it's not a major oversight if you stay within the volca realm - since the ribbon controller used for inputting note data isn't velocity sensitive anyway, and if i'm not mistaken none of the other volcas output midi velocity data either ?

but the Volca FM does allow inputting velocity data via the dedicated velocity slider. It's an integral function of the unit. Velocity IS important, but this is how it is handled. This velocity slider can be played (and recorded) live to over-ride the existing velocity data, and of course when you are recording the original note data it will assume the velocity value of the slider at its current position. It works very well indeed. And as I said earlier, you can get the tempo to play very slow - especially with the 1/4 time division, so purposefully adjust velocity after the fact can be done with decent accuracy.

as far as using the Volca FM as a sound module, ok, sure, this is when the lack of reponsiveness to midi velocity becames a significant if not major oversight. But! the velocity slider can be midi controlled too, so most midi sequencers should be able to control the Volca FM - including it's velocity. And using midi piping/remapping software on a computer would make it so you could live play it from a midi keyboard. There's some midi hardware that can do the same thing, midipal/gal and bomes i believe have some box out soon. There's probably more of these types of boxes in existence. of course, it would be kool if a firmware update simply abstracted this process - and recognised midi velocity and simply remapped it to the velocity slider internally. not sure how possible that is though :shrug:
I will test Volca FM's midi attributes at another time, sequencing it from my Elektron sequencers first and from the Computer second.

then again - just how suitable is the Volca FM as a sound module anyway, with only 3 voices ... I would say that is the major oversight in soundmodule terms and the midi velocity thing is only secondary (considering the fairly easily implemented workarounds).


it's kool that Volca's can be treated as sound modules, and not just sync'd but also sequenced by midi (to some degree), but I think it's somewhat missing the point to critique them purely in soundmodule terms. They are self-contained portable groovebox units first and foremost, and in that respect they more than deliver IMO and punch well above their weight. everything else is a bonus.


but yes, as a sound module it's an oversight for sure though in Volca terms it's certainly no deal breaker imo, and if it is a dealbreaker for you - there's probably other aspects of the Volca FM that would annoy you too. ymmv.

Uncle E wrote:
Great demo! Korg is back-ordered and we're sold out of them, otherwise I'd have one for myself. FM that is easy-to-use, hands on, and great sounding is still completely unique (the DX200 had the first 2 covered but was inexplicably not so good sounding).
cheers,
ya I have a dx200 and I'm happy with it... but as you allude to, the Volca FM sound blows it out of the water as far as my ears are concerned... and certainly in terms of the overall user experience, though I will have to allow for possible 'honey moon period' effects to wear off :) and maybe some a/b tests if I'm feeling particularly curious about the sonic differences. Can only speculate it has something to do with the fact the dx200 uses a plg dx 150 card ... ? :shrug: I won't be selling my dx200 though.

As an early-adopter of all the Volcas, the Volca FM is definitely the weirdest in terms of availability ... I don't know why it is this way. My Volca Sampler's serial is in the 8k region, and like I said it was an insta-buy upon release. Because of the initial issues with Volca FM supply I didn't insta-buy it, figured I'd just wait untill it was fully stocked since I don't usually pre-order stuff. Well after I saw none of my usual online stores were ever having it 'in stock' I eventually just signed up for a pre-order. So, even after that pretty considerable delay in ordering - and the subsequent wait - the serial on my Volca FM is only in the 2k region. Whatever we can infer from that, I don't know.



Mushy Mushy wrote:I have a new theory on the FM and Minilogue availability. They're doing a Roland.

Korg have had enough time to ascertain correct sales demands and forecast new production runs. What they're doing now is artificially limiting demand (ie, Boutique style) to maintain interest and desirability.

Anybody remember the Cartman theme park?
I really don't think it's some intentional creation of an artificial supply-demand scenario. I suspected the Volca FM could be their most popular Volca in the long run, and now that I have one I am convinced of it.. if they are intentionally bottlenecking supply they are shooting themselves in the foot, with a blunderbuss.
the sales/popularity of the unit will increase exponentially I suspect, particularly as more user demos and feedback permeates the interweb and the true diversity of the unit is clearly represented as a result.

I will, at the very least, buy a second unit. Will probably hold out for a used one priced in the 100 or less range... but if it were taking too long for the used market to have such prices I'd probably pony up for a new one at some point. I own two Volca Keys, one new one used... but that was because, even with the relatively limited palette, I wanted to layer patterns. Two Volca Keys sounds like two Volca Keys (at the risk of stating the obvious). with the Volca FM, because of the diversity of the sounds at your disposal ... you could have two, three, four units with each one occupying a very distinct and individual sonic area. bass, pads, drum, lead ... it will be a very popular unit, I am sure of it.


waiting man wrote:What seemed like a natural impulse buy and a sweet sparring partner for dx200 is now giving me second thoughts.
6ops on such a small thing...meh. So "unvolca".
As usual the price is right. Velo is ok for a groovebox and sysex is yawn.

Anyway, 5way volca power splitter coming right next week.
disagree. this is very Volca. if you do end up getting one, you will be very surprised at just how accessible the synth engine is. though as always, ymmv.


btw, anyone have any suggestions for power splitters ? which one have you ordered, waiting man ?

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ebay splitter

another unvolcaing impression comes from how the other volcas are original sound engines, not groundbreaking but still not "adsr and a filter slapped together" and Fm looks a bit like "hey let's slap fm in it".

but I'm grumpy. Editors will (probably) soothe my fm sysex hate, and I have to get rid of some more important purchases like new headphones.

Volca fm as a module is a bit lol. Even a used ipad with fm4 can do the job, ignoring the ocean of used fm racks.

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waiting man wrote:another unvolcaing impression comes from how the other volcas are original sound engines, not groundbreaking but still not "adsr and a filter slapped together" and Fm looks a bit like "hey let's slap fm in it".
disagree.

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Daags wrote:
waiting man wrote:another unvolcaing impression comes from how the other volcas are original sound engines, not groundbreaking but still not "adsr and a filter slapped together" and Fm looks a bit like "hey let's slap fm in it".
disagree.
mkey.

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update on the ebay splitter (got the just cable, no usb or uk plug), keys/sample/bass powered just fine. :party:
didn't try beats as it's asleep in the box.

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waiting man wrote:update on the ebay splitter (got the just cable, no usb or uk plug), keys/sample/bass powered just fine. :party:
didn't try beats as it's asleep in the box.

very kool indeed. kool too that they have a usb option, powering FIVE volcas ? impressive.

have you noticed any ground hum/noise issues when using this cable ?

cheers

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Nothing worth of notice...still have to try beats which is the one that's most troubled. Anyway I'm using a cheap powersupply, I'll get a ka350 with the Fm.

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waiting man wrote:Nothing worth of notice...still have to try beats which is the one that's most troubled. Anyway I'm using a cheap powersupply, I'll get a ka350 with the Fm.
good, good. I will get one ..when I buy a powersupply at least.


by the way, those who were butthurt about the current situation regarding Volca FM and responding to MIDI Velocity ... there is a 3rd party fix... as I mentioned earlier, some simple midi piping/remapping will solve the problem easily via the relevant software or hardware (like midigal/midipal or Bomes).... but this cable makes the process even simpler and pretty much completely hidden once you've set it up to your tastes:
The RK002 by Retrokits ...

originally designed to work with the Volca Sample, its firmware can be updated to a Volca FM specific version ... so with the FM it allows to remap common midi messages like pitch wheel, modwheel, velocity, aftertouch to various volca parameters. including velocity.

I guess you should be mindful though that maybe Korg themselves will eventually release a firmware update so the Volca FM responds natively to MIDI velocity ? maybe then you'll be butthurt about shelling out on the cable ? food for thought if you're tempted to buy one.

Further details here:
https://www.retrokits.com/rk002/

by the way, there is a catch ... it uses MIDI power, but not all MIDI devices supply MIDI power at their output. Midi Solutions, who make midi mergers/splitters etc have a pretty comprehensive list of devices that are known not to supply midi power on their FAQ page:
http://www.midisolutions.com/faqs.htm

if you really want to use the cable, and the device you really want to use it with doesn't output MIDI power, midisolutions sell a Thru box that adds MIDI power to your signal. seems pricey though. there may be cheaper alternatives.
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodpwr.htm






and somewhat un/related , you can check out the sonicstate review for the same cable's original Volca Sample firmware:

(ps, firmwares can be swapped back and forth and the cable won't 'forget' whatever your settings were for the previous firmware when you return to it. which is nice.)


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