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JJBiener wrote:I would be curious to know how many people who go around trashing Sonar have actually used it. I suspect there are people who just like to troll and gang up on whatever the subject is at hand.

Sonar, in its varying incarnations, has been my DAW of choice for the last 10 years. I have had a few problems over the years, but since X3, it has been completely solid for me. It's workflow works with my workflow. It's layout matches how I tend to think of recording. When I installed in on my current computer, I thought through how I wanted it to work for me and set the appropriate parameters.

Now, here's the caveat. I am not a power user. I have Sonar Artist, and I don't use 80% of the functionality. I wouldn't know what to do with the Professional version. For me, it is a VST host, MIDI/Audio recorder/editor, mixer and that's about it. I am old enough to have started on mag tape. I really haven't changed my process very much since then. My projects tend to be very linear. They are also very small, typically 5-10 tracks recorded from my MIDI keyboard. I do minimal editing. Rudimentary mixdown with a few plugins, and I am done.

For someone whose career has always revolved around technology, when it comes to music, I am a bit of a Luddite. When I am composing and recording, I don't want to fight my technology. My focus is music creation and I don't care if Sonar can do x, y and z. None of that matters when I am creating. I can see for people with a different process, the tools could be used creatively as a part of the process. For me, though, I have been playing and recording for 40+ years. I have the song in my head. I just need Sonar to capture it. That doesn't take much.

Whether Sonar will work for you or not depends, I guess, on how you intend to use it. I suspect if you load it up with 200 tracks and scores of plugins all fighting for processor time, then problems are more likely to occur. I suspect though that this is true of most programs, DAW and otherwise.
You've answered your own question. Your usage isn't likely to get you in near enough trouble with Sonar to make it seem a problematic product.

As a "power user" of six versions, however, I'm not trolling when I complain about Sonar. Could I just move on by these Sonar threads and not comment? Sure. But that's not my way. After a company has burned me, I think it's important to let people know it happens, especially when they're inquiring. I'm late to this thread, but I wanted to speak up for the people who spoke up already only to be called trolls.
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whyterabbyt wrote:(*) which is an absolute shame, as the ability to script the processing of MIDI events was very useful. A preemption of the kind of stuff that people seem to think Reaper and Bitwig invented. Same for their MIDI device front-end stuff (Studioware).
Fully agreed. Now we're seeing the market going back to hardware and computer integration (even iOS has a growing set of controllers and editors for specific hardware). Cakewalk ought to renew the Studioware features and take advantage of the existing tech already built-in.

Scripting is always a power user's tool, so I'm unsurprised they've depricrated CAL too. Why should music production not have power user features???

Your points about Sonar usage anecdotes is fair. I'm envious: I didn't have your positive experiences.
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incubus wrote:
AKJ wrote:Really, I have to agree with whyteabbyt.
That's a shame, his ego is already too large as it is.
Maybe, but his posts seem to consistently address facts and come from a position of data, not ego. Even when I disagree with him, I find his input worthwhile to read.
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Jace-BeOS wrote: Seconded. Six years of upgrading and hating Sonar put a pretty solid stop to upgrading. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, thrice... six times... I've been played the fool because of being a fool.

Being out of date on Sonar is a credibility issue to Sonar fans, but it's a huge chunk of time and money that created this opinion. If Cakewalk did a 180° change, well they will just have to live with some of us giving out negative reviews from six years of Cakewalk being irresponsible. I'd be quite happy to hear that they did a 180°, but their Mac product support shows otherwise.
Well, six years using something you hate does not make your opinion too worthwhile, does it? Maybe you insisting on reviewing software versions post mortem just goes along the lines of that. So much to support your credibility.

I kind of like your music, though.

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xalama qo wrote:Thanks everyone for your input, I've decided on a low cost-impact route to dip my toes into Sonar territory. Hoping it will work out for me, but either way I'll be able to add my 2 cents to the flame-wars meaningfully! :P :hihi:
As you were...
I hope you enjoy your experience with Sonar. (No sarcasm. Fully sincere). Clearly plenty of users do. Also, if new users don't try Sonar, we oldtimers will never hear news of how it has changed since we abandoned it.

Make music and have fun! :-)
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JoseC. wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote: Seconded. Six years of upgrading and hating Sonar put a pretty solid stop to upgrading. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, thrice... six times... I've been played the fool because of being a fool.

Being out of date on Sonar is a credibility issue to Sonar fans, but it's a huge chunk of time and money that created this opinion. If Cakewalk did a 180° change, well they will just have to live with some of us giving out negative reviews from six years of Cakewalk being irresponsible. I'd be quite happy to hear that they did a 180°, but their Mac product support shows otherwise.
Well, six years using something you hate does not make your opinion too worthwhile, does it?
My defense is that I didn't know any better. I used to be bought into the same computer tech rhetoric that many tech people believe. Things like "nothing is ever bug free" and "try the new version", etc. After six versions, and many other associated PC/Windows nightmares, i finally decided enough was enough and developed a very pro-consumer attitude.
JoseC. wrote:Maybe you insisting on reviewing software versions post mortem just goes along the lines of that. So much to support your credibility.
I acknowledge as much. I'm reviewing the years of experience with Cakewalk overall, not the current state of the product.
JoseC. wrote:I kind of like your music, though.
Thank you. It's great to have listeners :-)
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Those expedient carpetbaggers a.k.a. Gibson have just announced that all Cakewalk branded products will be discontinued. I've used Cakewalk since the V6 'Pro Audio' incarnation circa 1997 and yes, even the current flagship Sonar Platinum can be a maddeningly buggy piece of sh*t for some tasks but to its eternal credit, also a seamless joy for the bulk core of actually being musically creative with a PC. Sad day :(
Hope all the very talented Cakewalk staff find alternative jobs in the industry

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