The big "I just want to let everybody know I hate iLok because reasons!"-Topic

[cron]

...these copy protections are annoying end of story and will eventually be hacked give me a break...

For all I'm slating iLok, I will say that it did it's job in that department. Several years uncracked is a great run for any copy protection system. In the games world, devs seem happy when they get a month or two's worth of protection and the sales that come with it.

So yeah, it did it's job, but at what cost? Precisely $50 + $30 per year.

[cron]

Oh no, here we go again. Not another I hate ilok thread. Sigh! I thought we had seen enough of ilok haters thread. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's like I hate some tv shows, new or old. And what do I do? Just turn on something I like and don't waste my precious time complaining. Lifes too short.

It should come as no surprise. This is simply what happens when people really hate something and nothing changes. If today, 5+ years into the product lifecycle, my licenses didn't die with Windows Updates or computer death, I'd have nothing to complain about.

[Googly Smythe]

because I decided not to purchase anything with Ilok, well is my decision and is just what I think. I don't have liberty of expression? I have to say how I feel.

I don't hate the producers of new and innovative content, I'm against the licenses and procedures that should be change in order to get a better perspective of what they are offering. otherwise we all already know what to do and how everything works...

I, and everyone else, also have the liberty of expression. We also have the liberty of choice. I prefer dongles (not just iLok but eLicencer, Waves and Plugin Alliance). They suit the way I do things.
Again, don't like it, don't use it. End of.
As a parting shot, it's amazing how obsessional people can be over their hobbyhorses.

[JunSev]

because I decided not to purchase anything with Ilok, well is my decision and is just what I think. I don't have liberty of expression? I have to say how I feel.

I don't hate the producers of new and innovative content, I'm against the licenses and procedures that should be change in order to get a better perspective of what they are offering. otherwise we all already know what to do and how everything works...

I, and everyone else, also have the liberty of expression. We also have the liberty of choice. I prefer dongles (not just iLok but eLicencer, Waves and Plugin Alliance). They suit the way I do things.
Again, don't like it, don't use it. End of.
As a parting shot, it's amazing how obsessional people can be over their hobbyhorses.

I'm not obsessed with anything, again, what is the problem if I just wanna express what I feel about it?
dude if I think that better procedures should be used is just my way of thinking and something I have to say. you don't like it, Don't read my post then.

in this world we improve by implementing good and better ideas, innovation in all aspects, so is just something in what I believe in, you can't understand me? read something about history if you want (with all respect)...

[chk071]

because I decided not to purchase anything with Ilok, well is my decision and is just what I think. I don't have liberty of expression? I have to say how I feel.

I don't hate the producers of new and innovative content, I'm against the licenses and procedures that should be change in order to get a better perspective of what they are offering. otherwise we all already know what to do and how everything works...

I, and everyone else, also have the liberty of expression. We also have the liberty of choice. I prefer dongles (not just iLok but eLicencer, Waves and Plugin Alliance). They suit the way I do things.
Again, don't like it, don't use it. End of.
As a parting shot, it's amazing how obsessional people can be over their hobbyhorses.

Nothing more to add to this, really...

[JunSev]

what is incredible absurd is how some people praise this system as a God, I really don't know, victims and brainwashed from the system, servers of the system...

open your eyes all of you, Don't be blind.

[Googly Smythe]

YOU'RE ALL MAD! I'M THE ONLY SANE PERSON HERE!

[ENV1]

The thing is, people like you only see one side of the thing, and that's the customer side.

And people like you completely fail to see the bigger picture.

Your heart bleeds for the poor company that must protect their product, but what about things like this world as a whole? Ever thought about that? You know, the world we ALL have to live in? The world that will be turned into an even bigger shytehole than it already is if this 'i will accept anything and even pay for it' mentality continues? Because the companies will not stop that on their own. Quite the contrary, once this kind of mentality becomes commonplace they will ALL want to take advantage of it. They will ALL want a piece of the pie, or do you seriously believe there is one single solitary company out there that wouldnt LOVE to do exactly what some in the music software business are doing right now?

You know, im all for everyone having the right to make their own decisions. Thats what freedom and liberty are all about. But when the consequences of YOUR decisions might eventually spoil MY life then you better be prepared to hear from me because as much as you have the right to make your own decisions, i have the right to be pissed if i am adversely affected by them. And i, personally, am not at all interested in a world where im supposed to pay for everything but then have no say over what i have payed for. Call me oldfashioned, but thats just not how my generation ticks. We buy stuff, we get to say what happens with it. And we dont go for the old mafiosi-style 'hey if you sell i want my cut' bullshit either. If your product employs protection that doesnt allow me to sell or give whatever i have purchased from you to whomever i please because it has to be 'transferred' first, and this 'transfer' entails work and costs for you, and i am supposed to pay with my liberties and my money for the consequences caused by the protection you thought was a good idea to employ, then you can go screw yourself because it aint gonna happen. Ive gone along with it way too many times myself but no more. Because enough is enough and i wont make this world a better place if i just say yes and amen to everything.

Anyway, let me just say this. Youre generally a nice guy and i have no intention of attacking or upsetting you. But your shortsightedness when it comes to these topics is remarkable. And at the same time you call other peoples thoughts 'blabla', as if there wasnt any other point of view besides your own. Kinda ironic when you think about it, but like i said, im not here to quarrel with you. I just wish you would at least occasionally look beyond the rim of your own plate, to employ a german saying. There is quite a bit more to see out there.

[chk071]

Your heart bleeds for the poor company that must protect their product

No, not at all. Not sure what gave you that impression. I just have some insights others might not have about the companies in this business. Trust me, they're smaller than most here would imagine. And, while warez may not hurt a company like Adobe that much (although they had a approximated market share of 30% legit customers, and 70% illegal users... and finally decided to make their products cloud products), it surely hurts small companies like audio plugin developers. You may accept that, or not, but, it's like that. And, to "see the bigger picture", as you say, means to see both sides, their relationship, and the consequences of our actions. I don't think that many people who rant here about all kind of copy protections (let's face it, it is so) really do that. I say, the least really do. And that's a shame, because if i only always saw my own standpoint, then it'd prevent me from seeing things as a whole, and making fair judgments.

[JunSev]

at the end of the day, the thing is that they have to be more independent from Ilok for ever and give more liberty to the common people. so even if you are a close friend with some developer or anything, is ok, I support that.

my message is just consistent, no Ilok never and change the procedures is needed for a better future.

[JunSev]

YOU'RE ALL MAD! I'M THE ONLY SANE PERSON HERE!

no, I believe in common sense and liberty...

[JunSev]

one of my topics was locked for "unknown" reasons so I decided to post it here, and here I just wanna show some examples about the difference between both Systems, I hope everyone understand and decide to take decision by itself, with all absolute respect.

the topic was:
what you prefer: online registration (dependency) or offline registration (independence)

[JunSev]

well this is just a question about preferences and personal decision about how all of us would decide for a near future, what would you like and what you would decide.

the difference between both System is clear for everyone I think, of course when you buy a software in almost many cases you have to do it online and there you recive your "keys", but how we would prefer the key is the remarkable difference and what exactly means, so here we go, the difference between both:

Online registration: 
• you're dependent of the company: you might recive some offers and good deals or probably good rebates, you're in hands of them 
• the keys is owned by the company: you cannot unlock "your" things, the keys aren't yours, they are the owner.
• in some way, you don't have product really, because everything is owned by the company, and probably this case is similar to a rent or sort of permission, but you are in their hands.


Offline registration:
• you're completely independent from the company, but you have to respect the agreement to not copy and paste their product.
• the keys are yours, you're the owner and you don't rely on what could happen with the company, since you make the purchase, is in your hands, you can use it whenever you want.
• the product is yours (with respect of their agreement), at this point all that might happen to your software is about your actions, you are not under permissions anymore, this might help you for preserve your software, since you're independent, is yours the same as a vehicle, laptop, smartphone and like that...

nobody get me wrong I'm not biased to influence on your decision, I already know perfectly what I decided, but we have to think about all this and what means.
don't paid attention to trolls, obviously biased people, or sort of robots-people that will say everything in order to support his ideology, your decision is yours.

so yeah, what is your personal decision and explain why?

[Hink]

one of my topics was locked for "unknown" reasons so I decided to post it here, and here I just wanna show some examples about the difference between both Systems, I hope everyone understand and decide to take decision by itself, with all absolute respect.

the topic was:
what you prefer: online registration (dependency) or offline registration (independence)

it wasn't for "unknown" reasons and was explained

This is just a continuation of your existing (merged) thread. You don't like Ilok. Fair enough. Lots of people don't. You don't need two threads to go on about it.

You started a thread in instruments as well that the he merged with this thread and I believe it was myself that moved this thread started by another poster to "Everything Else". You then started yet another thread (while posting in this thread I might add) in off topic. Please try to understand that copy protection is one of those subjects that is indeed often going to be provocative and can get heated, chasing around many different threads on the subject for mods is a time consuming. KvR has a lot of members and a lot of posts, surely you can see the logic in keeping it in one thread.

[JunSev]

one of my topics was locked for "unknown" reasons so I decided to post it here, and here I just wanna show some examples about the difference between both Systems, I hope everyone understand and decide to take decision by itself, with all absolute respect.

the topic was:
what you prefer: online registration (dependency) or offline registration (independence)

it wasn't for "unknown" reasons and was explained

This is just a continuation of your existing (merged) thread. You don't like Ilok. Fair enough. Lots of people don't. You don't need two threads to go on about it.

You started a thread in instruments as well that the he merged with this thread and I believe it was myself that moved this thread started by another poster to "Everything Else". You then started yet another thread (while posting in this thread I might add) in off topic. Please try to understand that copy protection is one of those subjects that is indeed often going to be provocative and can get heated, chasing around many different threads on the subject for mods is a time consuming. KvR has a lot of members and a lot of posts, surely you can see the logic in keeping it in one thread.

ok Hink, if that is the reason I understand and I respect all the rules of the forum, I said that because I didn't say anything about Ilok on this post and why was locked, just about what system should be better, so ok I understand you...

in addition, Ilok is not the only sort of system wich requires online conection and similar procedures...