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[Trancit]

And what doesn´t serve it to you???

Well, it does something but it's subtle, pretty much like Airwindows' plugins...Not like you've placed a guitar amp on each one of your channels.

I am not able to hear what others call subtle... I guess it´s something for audiophiles...

[Jopmanajop]

At the very end there are about 1 billion other things to consider before caring about something like this

Isn't that to much to care about? Last time i started to care about some of those things, i forgot that music comes first. Three years into it, still can't recover from my carings

[RafaelMorgan]

I am not able to hear what others call subtle... I guess it´s something for audiophiles...

Well, the audiophile world is completely filled with snake oil products which claim this or that...So, yeah, something this "subtle" actually is just placebo indeed.

However, there are kinds of subtle which really make a difference. Maybe you wont really notice it on a single track, but when you have 20 tracks and turn it off you'll miss it. That's what happens to Airwindows console plugins, for instance.

Anyway, knowing this, a lot of plugin companies tend to exaggerate these "analogue" characteristics, to get this wow factor out of customers...But most of it is simply dishonesty business practices, IMHO.

[sqigls]

i could hear the difference and picked Pro-Q in every single example in that video, thanks for that Trancit.
and thanks to Ploki for the reply.

[Jopmanajop]

That's what happens to Airwindows console plugins, for instance.

Which console is the most noticeable in the mix? So many of them. Purest must be the invisible one?
I tried the latest one, but there were too little tracks in my project to notice the difference, i think

[Burillo]

So most EQ's do not need oversampling

What if they're cramping at Nyquist? Not sure if i can hear the difference, just curious

This is a very very subtle effect which perhaps 1% of the world population can here a little bit...(and the others not of course... )
That´s more or less the same marketing nonsense like intersample peaks...
There is a theoretical problem ... only that nobody can hear it... so does it matter??? You decide...
Watch this video from about minute 5...

Can you hear the difference??? I can´t...

At the very end there are about 1 billion other things to consider before caring about something like this

i can hear the difference actually. and i don't consider myself having particularly good ears. i picked out Pro-Q every time.

[RafaelMorgan]

Which console is the most noticeable in the mix? So many of them. Purest must be the invisible one?
I tried the latest one, but there were too little tracks in my project to notice the difference, i think

I like the Console 6 + Channel 7 combo. Give it a try!

[Jopmanajop]

I like the Console 6 + Channel 7 combo. Give it a try!

Alright, but where do i put Channel 7? Before channel console?

[RafaelMorgan]

I like the Console 6 + Channel 7 combo. Give it a try!

Alright, but where do i put Channel 7? Before channel console?

On tracks, Channel 7 -- Plugins -- Console6Channel (always last).
On regular buses, Console6Buss (always first) -- Plugins -- Console6Channel (always last).
On master bus, Console6Buss (always first) -- Plugins.

[Jopmanajop]

Aha, thanks, i'll give it another try

[Bouroki]

i can hear the difference actually. and i don't consider myself having particularly good ears. i picked out Pro-Q every time.

Yes same here and it's not even that subtle... so I was surprised when Dan said there isn't much of a difference. I mean you're boosting top end at the end of the day, so it is bound to sound "similar" in the sense that of course it's not as if one of them is going to sound low-passed but the difference is there.

[MogwaiBoy]

Easy to hear the difference and identify Pro-Q in those examples. But that probably says more about my detail-revealing AKG headphones than my hearing.

In the second A/B example the initial high frequency transient burst of the snare is dulled in the ReaEQ boost - it's almost like the snare turns into a big cardboard box

EQs cramping at Nyquist is audible and is therefore not desired. Next! (The Great Aliasing Debate perhaps? ..!)

[sqigls]

i can hear the difference actually. and i don't consider myself having particularly good ears. i picked out Pro-Q every time.

Yes same here and it's not even that subtle... so I was surprised when Dan said there isn't much of a difference. I mean you're boosting top end at the end of the day, so it is bound to sound "similar" in the sense that of course it's not as if one of them is going to sound low-passed but the difference is there.

Dan has old man ears

[bmanic]

One thing so many seem to misunderstand is that undesirable and desirable effects add up. Just because you can barely hear something in a single instance doesn't mean you can't hear it over a large amount of simultaneously playing tracks. Also serial chains of summing will quickly add up the nuances. Example: Individual drum tracks -> individual busses (like overhead mics into an overall overhead bus) -> main bus (drumbus) -> mix bus -> master. That's a typical serial chain of 5 destinations. If you have nuances and subtleties, especially the kind that produces harmonic distortion, it will all add up. Same with aliasing, other kinds of noise and distortion.

You can think of it as "salt" or "spice" when cooking. Try adding just a tiny bit of salt with every ingredient you put in your dish. In a dish with only a few ingredients, you will barely taste the salt.. now create a dish with 30 ingredients and it'll be pretty damn salty.

EDIT: Also, critical listening or listening in general, is a skill like any other. If you never practice it and never even care, you will not develop it. Can be both a curse or a blessing. Thus let the people who like critical listening do the actual mixing and the ones caring more about the actual music do the music.

Then again, creating good nuanced music actually involves critical listening to a high degree. A basic 5 note chord on a piano will sound and "emote" slightly different depending on how you distribute the tonality/volume of each note. If the you for instance reverse a piano chord that contains the prime, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th so that they go from softest note to the loudest at top, it will sound very different to doing the opposite where the prime is the loudest. This realization itself is actual critical listening training.

[Mushy Mushy]

Next from PA: a power cable emulator modelling various types of audiophile cables.