Hive 2 vs Synthmaster One

[a9k1tp]

Urs is absolutely right. You can't have a synth that includes only MSEGs unless you want to go out of business. A good compromise (featured on several u-he synths) is an envelope that includes a "Rise/Fall" stage following the Sustain stage. This envelope shape allows you to have a really spiky attack followed by a resonant "bow" fall off or a sweeping rise before reaching the Release stage.

The Virus features this type of envelope. It allows you to make much more complex sounds without resorting to MSEGs which are overkill 99% of the time.

Serum's only got ADSR and MSEGs and is still in business.

MSEGs are easy to use. They are not overkill.

[GHOST19]

I struggle to see what isn't possible in Vital with a couple LFOs and some Morph mapping but the good thing about 6 envs + 8 LFOs + 2 random is that you can just be lazy and for example use 2 of them with different depths without looking for a 200 IQ solution and still have huge modulation power to go crazy in the rest of your patch.

Yes, Vital is a very flexible synth plugin. But it chews through your CPU resources and sounds terrible given these high CPU requirements.

Hive on the other hand uses a fraction of the CPU resources AND sounds significantly better than Vital.

I guess pick your poison: An ugly, bloated soft synth that chews through your CPU (Vital) or a much better looking and sounding plugin (Hive) that is much less demanding on your CPU.

Well I disagee with everything you wrote, plus there's a million ways to better spend €150 than Hive.

[Urs]

Urs is absolutely right. You can't have a synth that includes only MSEGs unless you want to go out of business. A good compromise (featured on several u-he synths) is an envelope that includes a "Rise/Fall" stage following the Sustain stage. This envelope shape allows you to have a really spiky attack followed by a resonant "bow" fall off or a sweeping rise before reaching the Release stage.

The Virus features this type of envelope. It allows you to make much more complex sounds without resorting to MSEGs which are overkill 99% of the time.

Serum's only got ADSR and MSEGs and is still in business.

MSEGs are easy to use. They are not overkill.

yes exactly, Serum has traditional ADSR envelopes instead of “only MSEGs” and Steve is still in business. You’re not really contradicting what you quoted , and what I said before.

[Urs]

there's a million ways to better spend €150 than Hive.

Then don’t

(When people argue for a synth by putting another synth down, they’re not really making an argument, are they.)

[El°HYM]

Me wont argue for a synth here; yet Vital indeed is not a very good sounding synth overall.

[GHOST19]

there's a million ways to better spend €150 than Hive.

Then don’t

(When people argue for a synth by putting another synth down, they’re not really making an argument, are they.)

Tell that to the guy I was responding to.

You can notice that I've been almost the only one originally on topic and constructive answering OP's question and only later responding to weirdly argumentative people (including you) not accepting that SM One has a couple things going for it and desperate to hype Hive.

Perhaps you can take your advice for yourself and stop always jumping on these kind of threads to subtly berate your competition.

[Big Mouth Strikes Again]

You can notice that I've been almost the only one originally on topic and constructive answering OP's question and only later responding to weirdly argumentative people (including you) not accepting that SM One has a couple things going for it and desperate to hype Hive.

Perhaps you can take your advice for yourself and stop always jumping on these kind of threads to subtly berate your competition.

Your smug attitude and overt hostility make it nearly impossible to have a dialog with you. You do realize that Urs and u-he have done more to move the synth plugin industry forward than any other developer, right? So maybe show a little respect and gratitude to someone who is not only a brilliant developer but also a very cool dude who runs his business, u-he, in an extremely equitable manner.

[pdxindy]

You can notice that I've been almost the only one... blah blah blah

Your negative and attacking attitude overwhelms anything else you might think you contribute. Onto ignore you go.

[Igro]

I struggle to see what isn't possible in Vital with a couple LFOs and some Morph mapping but the good thing about 6 envs + 8 LFOs + 2 random is that you can just be lazy and for example use 2 of them with different depths without looking for a 200 IQ solution and still have huge modulation power to go crazy in the rest of your patch.

Yes, Vital is a very flexible synth plugin. But it chews through your CPU resources and sounds terrible given these high CPU requirements.

Hive on the other hand uses a fraction of the CPU resources AND sounds significantly better than Vital.

I guess pick your poison: An ugly, bloated soft synth that chews through your CPU (Vital) or a much better looking and sounding plugin (Hive) that is much less demanding on your CPU.

Vital sounds terrible? Could you give us more details about this, please? Because if you won't, nobody will take you seriously in this forum.

[muzicxs]

Perhaps you can take your advice for yourself and stop always jumping on these kind of threads to subtly berate your competition.

It would help if you work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere does Urs berate his competition. It's all in your mind. Your hostile attitude towards anyone with a different opinion doesn't help either.

[Fannon]

I always find it hard to understand such "sounds terrible" statements. There's so much subjectivity and usually also hyperbole included in that. Personally, I found the default presets of Vital really lacking and disorganized. But what sound you get out of it mostly depends on the skill of sound design and musicality of the person who use it.

Have a look at for some (imho impressive) examples of Vital preset design..

What I do worry about is that Vital is created by a single person, who also doesn't seem to respond in forum or support calls for some time now. Such single-person efforts always carry a risk that that single person will move on. Not sure if that will happen with Vital, but to me that looks not unrealistic right now.

[Big Mouth Strikes Again]

Vital sounds terrible? Could you give us more details about this, please? Because if you won't, nobody will take you seriously in this forum.

Here are more "details": Use those things on the sides of your head called "ears" while also using that thing between your ears called a "brain."

If you follow these simple instructions you will quickly realize that Vital is borderline unusable because it sounds so bad.

[Lectropunk aka influx808]

Its what you make of it ! It can be a pleasure to program sometimes and great value lol .

[Jac459]

Vital sounds terrible? Could you give us more details about this, please? Because if you won't, nobody will take you seriously in this forum.

Bro, dont feed the troll, not worth it...

[Igro]

You're right. It is obvious from his reply.