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LaLivre wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:24 am If only they would add the BASIC features like folders, midi comping, markers, freeze and so on, they could attract thousands of new users, but the seemingly incompetent managers don't seem to care.
Exactly, the absurdity is that it has taken then decades to implement MOST of the basic quality of life sequencer things that are in the first beta of well, every modern DAW designed by someone with any experience producing music in a DAW. They have been getting feature requests for 15 years that Reaper and Bitwig literally implemented overnight by a single dev after a single request by a single user (because they recognized said feature was an obvious omission that it would be embarassing not to implement in their 'DAW').

The problems at RS appear to boil down to two things: The management is utterly clueless regarding the industry they operate in, their existing userbase, and what made Reason successful in the past and what makes other DAWs separate today.

Meanwhile it's been obvious for years that the technical team leading development is not in touch with anyone who regularly uses Reason in a professional or commercial context to get quality feedback about why no one in that world takes Reason seriously.

Deciding to abandon any attempt to create an actual modern DAW when you're 85% of the way there and the remaining 15% is all relatively simple, easy to implement basic stuff and instead deciding to throw away your remaining market share and infuriate your remaining userbase of (previously very loyal) customers by becoming a rack plugin a la Soundtoys or Arturia is both funny in a sad clown kind of way a breathtaking, shockingly arrogant display of ignorance regarding the business you just bought. That one decision (nevermind two failed mobile apps, the balance hardware debacle, the online collaboration thing no one asked for, etc, etc) demonstrates conclusively that props/RS management have no feel for the music software industry, what their existing userbase want, or how to acquire new customers, especially young ones.

Northern europe is probably the only place on the planet where you can fail this hard for this long at your job and continue to fail upward rather than having been fired multiple times while losing all professional credibility in that industry. It's basically career welfare at this point where they all come to work everyday and pretend not to notice management has set the building on fire. RS have been a clowncar since Verdane took over, just give up and sell the IP already, we're tired of laughing at you.

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two_tone wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:42 pm
Northern europe is probably the only place on the planet where you can fail this hard for this long at your job and continue to fail upward rather than ...
what?
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sQeetz wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 8:21 am
two_tone wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:42 pm
Northern europe is probably the only place on the planet where you can fail this hard for this long at your job and continue to fail upward rather than ...
what?
I’ve been reading about the fall of Propellerhead and now Reason Studios for moré than a decade. Now I know why they’re still on the market, Thank you two_tone ! :dog:

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two_tone wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:42 pm
LaLivre wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:24 am If only they would add the BASIC features like folders, midi comping, markers, freeze and so on, they could attract thousands of new users, but the seemingly incompetent managers don't seem to care.
Exactly, the absurdity is that it has taken then decades to implement MOST of the basic quality of life sequencer things that are in the first beta of well, every modern DAW designed by someone with any experience producing music in a DAW. They have been getting feature requests for 15 years that Reaper and Bitwig literally implemented overnight by a single dev after a single request by a single user (because they recognized said feature was an obvious omission that it would be embarassing not to implement in their 'DAW').

The problems at RS appear to boil down to two things: The management is utterly clueless regarding the industry they operate in, their existing userbase, and what made Reason successful in the past and what makes other DAWs separate today.

Meanwhile it's been obvious for years that the technical team leading development is not in touch with anyone who regularly uses Reason in a professional or commercial context to get quality feedback about why no one in that world takes Reason seriously.

Deciding to abandon any attempt to create an actual modern DAW when you're 85% of the way there and the remaining 15% is all relatively simple, easy to implement basic stuff and instead deciding to throw away your remaining market share and infuriate your remaining userbase of (previously very loyal) customers by becoming a rack plugin a la Soundtoys or Arturia is both funny in a sad clown kind of way a breathtaking, shockingly arrogant display of ignorance regarding the business you just bought. That one decision (nevermind two failed mobile apps, the balance hardware debacle, the online collaboration thing no one asked for, etc, etc) demonstrates conclusively that props/RS management have no feel for the music software industry, what their existing userbase want, or how to acquire new customers, especially young ones.

Northern europe is probably the only place on the planet where you can fail this hard for this long at your job and continue to fail upward rather than having been fired multiple times while losing all professional credibility in that industry. It's basically career welfare at this point where they all come to work everyday and pretend not to notice management has set the building on fire. RS have been a clowncar since Verdane took over, just give up and sell the IP already, we're tired of laughing at you.
Lol, you shiuld take your pills and go to bed you are really pathetic..and hilarious at the same time

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carambo wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:22 pm Lol, you shiuld take your pills and go to bed you are really pathetic..and hilarious at the same time
He is right. Now take your pills, you seem to be very interested in druggin' and know a lot about how to consume.

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Only problem I have with Reason is the new browser. It's incredibly bad on multiple levels and half a year later they were still not able to patch it to an acceptable state.

I see Bitwig being mentioned as prime example how fast requested features can be implemented. But when you look at Bitwig related forums you also see people moaning how year after year Bitwig ignores the same feature requests.

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biberact wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 10:27 am But when you look at Bitwig related forums you also see people moaning how year after year Bitwig ignores the same feature requests.
This is the same for every DAW's user forums.







... and yes, even for Reaper :hihi:
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Yes that's the other side of the coin, the Internet is full of whining trolls who complain when things stay the same, then complain when they change . The old propellerheads forum was overrun by toxic fanboys at one point. I reckon that's why they closed it down (that was before the management change I think?) Then there's our very own KVR where every thread turns into a handbag fight.

But yes, MIDI loop record would be nice, and sort out the mess with the browser which sounds pretty ridiculous ( I haven't upgraded yet)
I can get round lack of markers by using BLOCKS deactivated as kind of markers.

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The difference is that Reaper, Bitwig, Presonus, etc are all mature, full-featured DAWs that have had ALL of the features people are begging for in Reason since their first few months of development if not the initial public release. The feature requests they are choosing between now are building on and around the core set of editing and sequencing features that pretty much ALL "DAW" software on the market includes (even the free ones) except for Reason.

Meanwhile people have been trying to get the same incredibly basic Day 1 features implemented in Reason so they actually have the OPTION to use it as a DAW for commercial work where time is not an unlimited resource literally for 15 years. RS do not know what those features are or why they are necessary because they long ago alienated most of the well-intentioned industry people who were sincerely trying to help them along by putting them in contact with people who could hold their hand on this stuff. They literally don't understand what's missing from Reason and they're so stubborn and arrogant they're going to destroy the company before they allow themselves to learn from the criticism.

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two_tone wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:36 pm The difference is that Reaper, Bitwig, Presonus, etc are all mature, full-featured DAWs that have had ALL of the features people are begging for in Reason...
Not strictly true, Bigwig has no audio pitch correction which I consider essential in a full feature DAW, Reason has this, Live and Bitwig still don't.
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This may be a boring subject to bring up again, but does anyone know of the possibility of Reason VST becoming a multi-instrument? I mean something like Kontakt or Omnisphere? Being able to route multiple MIDI signals and return audio signals to different tracks still seems to me to be the best way to work with it.
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Isn’t the Combinator considered as a container for multi instruments/effects?
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Yes, I've heard of splitting the keys and routing different midi signals... But I don't know about separate audio outputs. However, it would be amazing to have this natively and in a simpler way.
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Multiple outputs have been there from the start, MIDI inputs no, if they added that I would update.

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