UADs Paradise Guitar Studio

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Hiwatt, bass amps.

It's already got a Super Bass, and you want to pretend like that doesn't count?

Assuming they'll add the Knuckles and Anti, after that, I definitely wouldn't mind a Hiwatt DR-103 for those Gilmore tones everyone loves, then an Ampeg B15. But the JCM800 is also a big amp that seems missing from the lineup. I'd personally like a Tweed Bassman or a JTM-45 (or both, they're almost identical circuits).

[zerocrossing]

I decided to pass on this one. It’s fine, but I just don’t have a need for it.

[Uncle E]

I'd personally like a Tweed Bassman or a JTM-45 (or both, they're almost identical circuits).

In the meantime, try Lion Lead with bright cap off, into the 4x10 cabinet.

[jamcat]

I’d like to see a Selmer Zodiac Twin 30.

[GreyLion]

Yer all tone-sniffers!

All you need is a strat, a tele, an LP, and something with P90s in it. For amps, hard or soft, you need to be able to get a clean tone, edge of breakup, crunch, and lead. Season with EQ, delay, and reverb. If yer a metal-head, buy a Boss HM-2.

.... This is true, though said by a guy with fourteen guitars, six amps, fifty or so pedals, and ALL of the software a small country would need...

[zerocrossing]

Yer all tone-sniffers!

All you need is a strat, a tele, an LP, and something with P90s in it. For amps, hard or soft, you need to be able to get a clean tone, edge of breakup, crunch, and lead. Season with EQ, delay, and reverb. If yer a metal-head, buy a Boss HM-2.

.... This is true, though said by a guy with fourteen guitars, six amps, fifty or so pedals, and ALL of the software a small country would need...

GearSpace should change the name of its guitar forum to ToneSniffers.

[Uncle E]

Better than if you added Sniffers to their old name.

[GreyLion]

Better than if you added Sniffers to their old name.

[DerKastellan]

I expect a high quality model to need more resources, that's for sure, and something like this has to account for arbitrary parameter changes in a way that something like Tonex does not.

Yes, I agree!

What sours me a bit, though, is that the same amps as separate plugins demand more CPU for doing less (no pedals). Does this mean they streamlined something but didn't port it back? That would be unfair to the owners of the original plugins. (Like me. )

In principle it proves the point that whatever the separate plugins do can be done "for less." If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that they ran into performance problems when running the amps (especially the Ruby) in the new app and fixed it there and there only as they were focusing on getting a new product out.

[DerKastellan]

You said my new trigger word: Woodrow. I have some thoughts on Woodrow I posted on Gearspace this morning.

Thank you sharing that bit you shared after. I certainly wouldn't have known.

So, either it's not an emulation of the circuit but more of a sound they had in mind, or they took great liberties with it. Which is a bit odd, given the focus on a vintage amp.

[Uncle E]

What sours me a bit, though, is that the same amps as separate plugins demand more CPU for doing less (no pedals). Does this mean they streamlined something but didn't port it back? That would be unfair to the owners of the original plugins. (Like me. )

It's not unusual for companies to release performance improvements, UA included. I suspect that they figured it out for Paradise and wanted to get it out as quickly as possible, and will update the individual amps later.

[Uncle E]

So, either it's not an emulation of the circuit but more of a sound they had in mind, or they took great liberties with it.

Neither. They simply left out a function.

[jens]

I expect a high quality model to need more resources, that's for sure, and something like this has to account for arbitrary parameter changes in a way that something like Tonex does not.

Yes, I agree!

In all honesty it appears to me however as if you guys would much rather entertain the reverse assumption:

It uses more CPU, so the model must be of a higher quality.


Seems more like some really high quality apologism to me.

[DerKastellan]

In all honesty it appears to me however as if you guys would much rather entertain the reverse assumption:

It uses more CPU, so the model must be of a higher quality.


Seems more like some really high quality apologism to me.

Actually I was making, in general, the point that CPU is wasted to no gain in the single plugin version.

I'm not really apologizing for them, I'm merely agreeing to the idea that a more detailed (attempt) at a simulation would generally eat more CPU - here I'm talking about attempts at emulating circuits, not sound. If that approach is chosen, you would use more and more CPU as some aspects of analog circuits translate poorly to being digitally emulated, so you have to have some tradeoff or limitation.

The same is also true for bad coding/or optimization.

I haven't pulled the trigger on Paradise Studio because it hasn't convinced me it's a good fit for me. I even had to redo part of my sound setup on my PC to reduce latency and buffering - to be even able to try it again. Not a good sign in general for the usability of the software.

I actually got sidetracked into Neural Amp Modeler instead. No issues with performance, good sound. I hope they come up with more "parametric models" in the future that allow you to acually set parameters instead of having to have a capture for each combination of knob settings.

[Uncle E]

I even had to redo part of my sound setup on my PC to reduce latency and buffering - to be even able to try it again.

What's your processor and OS? It's ~10% on my M2 Pro.

I hope they come up with more "parametric models" in the future that allow you to acually set parameters instead of having to have a capture for each combination of knob settings.

Overloud Fluid Capturing or Kemper Liquid Profiling. You can kind of do it with NAM if you have separate preamp and power amp captures, simply put an EQ between them and it'd be similar to the topology of a real amp.