Trent Reznor digs Ohm Force...

[nool]

ohm force plugs are great

[bluedad]

congrats to the good folks at ohmboyz. if any group excels at thinking outside the box, it's definately them.

[dystonia_ek]

As someone who was a big trent fan in my teens, I can say that his music is all about experimentation, individualism, anti-authoritarianism, and challenging excepted norms.

I thought he was all about borrowing production tricks from Ministry, Foetus and Coil, adding a pinch of commercialism, and selling it as 'original' to kids who are too young to remember the folks he's shamelessly imitated. But maybe that's just me.

How anyone could see something that blatantly commercial as in any way challenging is beyond me.

How someone can completely dismiss someone else's talents and creativity (in this case, Trent's) when all they have to show is two links to "coming soon" pages is beyond me.

There is a world outside the internet - I tend to spend more time there, and so the net is a pretty low priority, music-wise. There's also a world outside corporate music. And lots of people who don't really give a shit about corporate rock stars like NIN. Maybe to someone who cut their teeth on 'Industrial Culture' (in the Re/Search publications, post-Situationist sense) in the early 1980's, this kind of fake, prepackaged rebellion is more obvious.

[ouroboros]

the fact is, if you know what you're doing you can make great sounding stuff with just about anything. m3rk records is one of my favorite labels and all they use are trackers.

Is that true? I really love some of the stuff there. First found out by listening to Sense: does he use trackers? -never imagined it!

[hjack]

[ouroboros]

the lie is that we can all become heroes. it's true that we can, the lie is that it just covers up the fear of our own mortality and refusal to come to grips with the finite. Be a hero:ignore the truth. Feigned immortality, especially immortality-by-association is preferable to dealing with the clock slowly unwinding and it keeps us from trying to find our own meaning. True religion is death to projected ideals the insecurity culture plys as meaning.

Sorry, not to expand the discussion to religion, just finished reading through the thread and instantly thought of becker


and then strangely thought of d'arby. Was he named after the meat-sandwhich place?

[haydxn]

i don't understand why people have to say stuff like "corporate", "fake", "commercial" and shit like that.. at the end of the day, a lot of NIN stuff is just really f**king great music. i'm sure ol' trenty wasn't doing anything other than making music he wanted to make. in what way does that deserve a ribbing? he's got talent and my respect.

[Sicklecell666]

Maybe to someone who cut their teeth on 'Industrial Culture' (in the Re/Search publications, post-Situationist sense) in the early 1980's, this kind of fake, prepackaged rebellion is more obvious.

Amen. I can dig it to a certain degree, but I can't acknowledge it without recognizing those it cannibalized..

And about that coming soon stuff?

Remember your words, buddy..

[digitaldoom]

Reznor's sound turned me from a guitar player to an electro-head. Now I just loop my guitar to digital beats. And for many his 'sound' which he has sculpted is a great inspiration. For something to inspire you to create something new is a great and wonderful thing. Being inspired is what is allowing people to write music at all.

I wish there were more people out there with his level of sonic creativity. I wish there were more unique sounds out there. All I hear on the radio is the same 'corporate' sounding bullsh*t. Let's face it, most 'bands' you hear just play their music. They don't focus on developing a completely different sound. And most 'electronic' bands/musicians... well... sound very similiar to each other. Like one big ringing in my ear.

Embrase creativity.

Abhor stagnation.

[Chickenman]

NIN.. Love Trent's work..

Everyone digs those plugs... I dig 'em and I'm not even cool

[digitaldoom]

NIN.. Love Trent's work..

Everyone digs those plugs... I dig 'em and I'm not even cool

I haven't played with the Ohm stuff. But I'm sure going to use as much their stuff as I can now. Then I'll be able to see which one's sound cool.

But...

Izotope's Trash is great distortion. There are tons of parameters to tweak on. And it logs your tweaks in its history (in case you forgot how you just got that sound, etc). It's got a Pre and Post filter. It allows you to use two different distortion algorithms at the same time (you can adjust each input/output gain seperately). Blah. Blah. Blah.

The bottom line is it is a great distion sound.

[Z3R0T0N1N]

As someone who was a big trent fan in my teens, I can say that his music is all about experimentation, individualism, anti-authoritarianism, and challenging excepted norms.

I thought he was all about borrowing production tricks from Ministry, Foetus and Coil, adding a pinch of commercialism, and selling it as 'original' to kids who are too young to remember the folks he's shamelessly imitated. But maybe that's just me.

How anyone could see something that blatantly commercial as in any way challenging is beyond me.

and we have a winner! thanx.
I remember, after listening to (and contributing to in a small and mostly unnoticed way) groundbreaking and beautiful music like Foetus, Einsturzende Neubauten, Skinny Puppy, Severed Heads, Cabaret Voltaire, etc., for nearly a decade ( I know that there was stuff that predated these, but I am not THAT old ) I see the cover of Rolling stone.... or was it Spin?... with Trent Resnors face plastered all over it, and it said "King of Industrial!"
I just about choked. First of all, all he did was homogenize all these things into a sort of electronic pablum for the american media machine to suck up.
That being said, I have over time come to respect his later work, as he started to diverge from the remanufactured 'undustrial' into his own kind of style. There is no doubt that he has a talent and a passion for what he does.
but... if you buy what he uses because you want to sound like him, then you are eating from the same f**king trough as all the other bloody hogs. And he isn't the problem in the first place, it's not like he is anything besides just a guy who is good at what he does - the problem is the pedestal that he is placed on. We are the pedestal. There is nothing wrong with appreciating a persons art, it's true. There IS a problem with emulation as a national passtime. Here's the thing - if you can't make the sounds without having the same stuff that Reznor uses, then you can't make the sound period. AND, you don't need validation for what you choose to make music with. Who cares if people think software is this or that? Prove them wrong yourself, don't wait for someone else to do it, and then go "see? it IS cool!! Trent Reznor says so!!! Yay!"

classic stuff in this thread. if you don't like the message, try to invalidate the messenger. I only wish I had a brain as good as xoxos.... then I would really be smart! I have to find out what books HE reads, so I can talk about centeralized reference too!!!

[MikeLeuz]

As someone who was a big trent fan in my teens, I can say that his music is all about experimentation, individualism, anti-authoritarianism, and challenging excepted norms.

I thought he was all about borrowing production tricks from Ministry, Foetus and Coil, adding a pinch of commercialism, and selling it as 'original' to kids who are too young to remember the folks he's shamelessly imitated. But maybe that's just me.

How anyone could see something that blatantly commercial as in any way challenging is beyond me.

and we have a winner! thanx.
I remember, after listening to (and contributing to in a small and mostly unnoticed way) groundbreaking and beautiful music like Foetus, Einsturzende Neubauten, Skinny Puppy, Severed Heads, Cabaret Voltaire, etc., for nearly a decade ( I know that there was stuff that predated these, but I am not THAT old ) I see the cover of Rolling stone.... or was it Spin?... with Trent Resnors face plastered all over it, and it said "King of Industrial!"
I just about choked. First of all, all he did was homogenize all these things into a sort of electronic pablum for the american media machine to suck up.
That being said, I have over time come to respect his later work, as he started to diverge from the remanufactured 'undustrial' into his own kind of style. There is no doubt that he has a talent and a passion for what he does.
but... if you buy what he uses because you want to sound like him, then you are eating from the same f**king trough as all the other bloody hogs. And he isn't the problem in the first place, it's not like he is anything besides just a guy who is good at what he does - the problem is the pedestal that he is placed on. We are the pedestal. There is nothing wrong with appreciating a persons art, it's true. There IS a problem with emulation as a national passtime. Here's the thing - if you can't make the sounds without having the same stuff that Reznor uses, then you can't make the sound period. AND, you don't need validation for what you choose to make music with. Who cares if people think software is this or that? Prove them wrong yourself, don't wait for someone else to do it, and then go "see? it IS cool!! Trent Reznor says so!!! Yay!"

classic stuff in this thread. if you don't like the message, try to invalidate the messenger. I only wish I had a brain as good as xoxos.... then I would really be smart! I have to find out what books HE reads, so I can talk about centeralized reference too!!!

The problem with this thread is the xoxos, dystonia, and the others all assume way to much. Not a single person on this thread every said anything even close to effect that "oooh, Trent uses xyz, Trent's a God, now I must use xyz"... yet that's been the basis for most of the negative replies here. I think the negative (for lack of a better term) posters here should give their K-v-R brethren a little more respect. There's been many good reasons listed on why it's interesting that Trent uses Ohmboyz et al and none of it has to do with centralized referentialism hero-worship.

[MikeLeuz]

Maybe to someone who cut their teeth on 'Industrial Culture' (in the Re/Search publications, post-Situationist sense) in the early 1980's, this kind of fake, prepackaged rebellion is more obvious.

Amen. I can dig it to a certain degree, but I can't acknowledge it without recognizing those it cannibalized..

And about that coming soon stuff?

Remember your words, buddy..

Hehe... I'm assuming I'm the one you're referencing to as "buddy". I can only compare to what's currently out there. Get some quality stuff posted and I'll be the first to give out mad respect. Trust me, I would love to hear non-commerical original industrialish-type music, but without traveling to every large and small towns local scenes, I'm kind of stuck with what I can find here in Columbus, out on the Internet, and *gasp* commercially. Without distrubution, art is masterbation (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[Kriminal]

congrats to the good folks at ohmboyz. if any group excels at thinking outside the box, it's definately them.

I think you mean 'blue sky thinmking'