Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[Goseba]

[quote=LudvigC;1021282]Rack Extensions can be licensed to your Ignition Key, sure.

But the actual download and installation of an R.E. will require internet connection on the target computer, as does "trying" an R.E. from the store.
Using R.E.s with a totally offline PC won't work.

While I can to some extent understand the wish to have a "clean" computer, internet connection is more or less a part of the computer system today. The operating systems themselves seem designed for it, and we certainly design for it when we create software. (As do other developers - I think you'll see more and more applications make use of "the cloud" for example).

This will not change, I think.

/ LudvigC[/quote]

Taken from the Prop's User Forum, here's the direct link if you have access

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... ostcount=9

[zvenx]

The thing is you could foreseeably use something that you would otherwise pay for for 30 days total over 2 years, and so never pay for it. 30 calendar days to figure out if something works for you I think is plenty.

I think 30 calendar days is already very generous & should be plenty of time to figure out if it's for you or not. 30 days of actual time though?! If you used it for 4 hours every single day that would give you 180 days of use!! Bit much to ask for a non-restricted demo wouldn't you agree?

+1 on that.......
is there any plugin that gives you usage days and not calendar days?
rsp

[SLiC]

TC powercore demo plugs are in hours used (sorry, had to be a smart arse)

[zvenx]

no, I asked.....of course......isn't TC powercore no more? Although I am sure there is no correlation between the two
rsp

[Anosou]

Mattias, I hope you're still reading this thread. Last night I was thinking about the "30 day" demo period from the store and had two questions:

1. Will the 30 day trial be calendar day on download or usage time? I really hope it's usage time. If I download a plug and then for some reason can't use Reason for 2 weeks I've lost 1/2 of that demo time. Setting it to usage time means people really, truly, get a chance to demo a piece of technology at their own pace and dictated by their own schedule.

2. Let's say I demo product A and discover it's just not for me. Then, 6 months later, product A releases 2.0 and I read in the changes most of my complaints were fixed. However, since I already demoed the product in your store I can no longer try it. My suggestion for this situation is to reset the trial period on major release numbers to ensure people can re-try extension they didn't initially like.

At the very least I hope you take this back into the mothership for discussions internally. Thanks for compiling feedback from your users.

Can't answer that at the moment but will take the feedback to the PropellerHQ!

[FrankT]

what was the 'exciting' news then? did i miss it?

No idea! But it's good to talk about it!

[DuX]

Well, I think there should be only one plugin format for everything, possibly open source [but VST would do], and all DAWs should use it. Simple as that. No proprietary formats. All these formats not only bring the confusion to the users, but also make developers have nightmares. VST is such a wonderful format. VST 2.4, that is.

Yeah, I'm an idealist, I know.

Cheers!

[MFXxx]

Well, I think there should be only one plugin format for everything, possibly open source [but VST would do], and all DAWs should use it. Simple as that. No proprietary formats. All these formats not only bring the confusion to the users, but also make developers have nightmares. VST is such a wonderful format. VST 2.4, that is.

Yeah, I'm an idealist, I know.

Cheers!

+1 Absolutely. but and yes always a butt!

As code gets more streamline formats rvolve and develop. IE AAX. However being a vst junky and owning rason but using predominantly Cubase x64,I am content with rewire. What i do desire is a reason as a floating plugin module, similar to bidule and the like. Mainly as i just csnnot get on with reasons sequencer but like the components and routing.

[VitaminD]

Well, I think there should be only one plugin format for everything, possibly open source [but VST would do], and all DAWs should use it. Simple as that. No proprietary formats. All these formats not only bring the confusion to the users, but also make developers have nightmares. VST is such a wonderful format. VST 2.4, that is.

Yeah, I'm an idealist, I know.

Cheers!

+1 Absolutely. but and yes always a butt!

As code gets more streamline formats rvolve and develop. IE AAX. However being a vst junky and owning rason but using predominantly Cubase x64,I am content with rewire. What i do desire is a reason as a floating plugin module, similar to bidule and the like. Mainly as i just csnnot get on with reasons sequencer but like the components and routing.

That would be interesting. Just the Reason Rack and a small output virtual Mixer - no sequencer. A sound source.

But that would sort of squish the point of Reason as a DAW if they did that.. so I doubt it will happen anytime soon.. if ever.

[headquest]

Features? Reason is a modular environment, so if you want more bands on the MClass you have to add another MClass; that's just the way it is. Some people don't mind that workflow, some do.

The MClass has a good narrow cut which will do for a notch (try doubling up two bands with the same narrow cut settings). If that's not acceptable, stick on a Pulverizer with its dedicated notch filter. Just comes down to the modular environment again, and workflow opinions.

You can do mid/side processing in Reason too. Don't think there's a linear EQ though. Vintage EQ? Subtle bit of the ol' trusty tape after or before the EQ.
I agree there's a lack of modelling on specific analog equipment in Reason, unless you want the SSL mixer/compressors/EQs.

Good points all, but as I already noted in the post your quoted, these can be complex workarounds in the heat of a session. The modular environment is great stuff in terms of *sound design* (and personally I love tinkering when time permits) but not so great when you are a musician trying to get your track done (or an engineer recording a client). My opinion anyway

[headquest]

Oh yes - it was genuine. I appreciate the well thought out response and links to product pages demonstrating your examples - cheers!

No Problem

Despite the fact that it's marketing, a plethora of artists who are successful commercial musicians that sell lots of records and have radio play, are featured in the "Artist Feature" stories that have been out for years on the Propellerhead website. These are professional musicians - many who use Reason and Reason alone - and sound no less impressive than the artists who use the plug-ins you linked to. Many of these artists are even using an older version of Reason sans many of the recent effect devices!

Yes but so far as I can tell in all those videos the final mix was actually done in other DAW software, not actually Reason. Watch again the videos and read the interviews with The Prodigy, Beastie Boys, etc and you will see they took stems from their sketch in Reason and exported them to Logic or Pro Tools (usually) for the commercial mix... in other words they were (sometimes) using the Reason instruments but not the effects and mixing.

I was interested in finding an A/B comparison of audio examples to hear the difference, but that seems difficult to come by. I tried searching for one myself but didn't have any luck.

There was one done, organised by Computer Music magazine a year or so ago - a full professional mix was done in a studio using the same audio stems and with the same engineers. He did it in Record/Reason and again in Pro Tools using (expensive) plugins. No surprise in the outcome (and they published the audio files too...): the Pro Tools + plugins mix won. But the mix engineers had some very generous things to say about Reason too, and given the price differential between the equipment used the difference wasn't so great

[xh3rv]

People have expressed confusion with Reason in ReWire, I sort of wonder if just the GUI lost the transport and had a sequencer that didn't quite compete with the ReWire master's, would that be less confusing? Could replace the transport with something utilitarian for managing ReWire, even.

If this is helpful for anyone - a quick way to manage ReWire in Live: Set up a generic MIDI-out and audio-in track, set up the routing on those for Reason, name the tracks something obvious and then save the tracks as a Live set somewhere handy in Live's browser. This set can later be dragged into any open set in Live, and the routing persists in-situ. This saves a good number clicks and the hassle of having to remember exactly how to set things up.

[kmonkey]

Maybe you can search the KVR database for us for these exceptional plugs available for decades and report back which ones are remotely the same as the three I mentioned.

I'm especially looking forward to your Pulverizer clone.

Seriously are you serious? You are perfect example of that scenario where Reason users get something which is usual in audio world but you think omaagaaaddd this is amazingggg...

You do realize that it's only you thinking that you are getting something unique in Pulverizer? You do realize that Pulverizer is in a nutshell chain of ...what..wait i am visiting their website...oh it's distortion, compression, modulation and what...ummm let me see...option to use all that in..parallel processing First thing first you have to be blind to not see army of compressors and distortion effects in KVR base. Literally all i mean ALL of them can be modulated from within any HOST. In every imaginable way you can think off. Parallel processing..i think noone don't even announce it as "ground breaking option" since you can do even that from within host. Obviously you can stack each after each, reorder as you like this is stupid mandatory process yes for a decade.

Echo? Come on...WTF??? It's an echo with modulation options. I mean...just visit free area and see for yourself. Some top notch stuff which far surpass - Reason Echo. Don't get me wrong Reason echo is vast improvement over old echoes but it's been done to death as everything you can imagine.

Look here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/q.php there are filters there. Just enable one with "Pricing" and choose "free" text on it then under "Keyword (Free Text): " write down compressor and hit search

For compressor i just get...113 different compressors

Lemme see for distortion: 255 result..

lemme see for echo...40 different results..

Some of these several hundreds of effects are literally TOP QUALITY! Don't get under impression that if something is free it isn't good. Just check what kind of amount Variety of sound (bootsie) is generating with his effects.

And these are for FREE. And these can be used in full blown modular host where you can connect and reconnect stuff with virtual cables.

Come on..

[eXode]

Good points all, but as I already noted in the post your quoted, these can be complex workarounds in the heat of a session. The modular environment is great stuff in terms of *sound design* (and personally I love tinkering when time permits) but not so great when you are a musician trying to get your track done (or an engineer recording a client). My opinion anyway :shrug:

There's plenty of free refills out there not to mention all the stuff available in the FSB, even since Reason 3 and 4 there's been a lot of great multi band patches and what have you. Even more so with Reason 6 where they did some massive work on the FSB. Truth to be told is that many people often overlook the FSB which is a shame because there's some truly brilliant stuff in there. And that goes not only for the effects, there's stuff in there that actually work for music and that is not bloated with heavy use of effects, etc. It's not hard really, the folder structure on the FSB is very logically structured, i.e. "Effect Device Patches\Dynamics\Vocals\8 Band Compressor". I mean, just have to load a patch! Then there's templates. If you know beforehand that you like some certain type of patches for dynamics, just load them in a template document so that you have them every time you start a new project..

[xh3rv]

Literally all i mean ALL of them can be modulated from within any HOST. In every imaginable way you can think off.

One argument is that Reason might be more humanly suited to different kinds of exploring, and that's not without merit. But there's also hard logic that indicates 'every imaginable way' changes a lot with modules that can import and export more than MIDI or audio.

VST:
Import audio, export audio - VST plug-in
Import MIDI, export audio - VSTi plug-in
Import automation, export audio - Anything VST
Import human performance or hand-drawnngs (in some exceptional cases hosts have a very few extra tricks) export automation - VST Host

Reason:
Import CV and audio, export CV and audio [e *, **] - Reason module

[e *] Another thing worth noting is the difference between MIDI and Reason's CV, as well as audio as it's usually set up in VSTs versus how audio is usually set up in Reason. I won't go into detail, the differences are fairly self-evident.

[e **] Also Reason's modules can accept CV and Audio at multiple points in the internal routing of a module. This isn't completely flexible in terms of all internal nodes of a module's structure in practice, but is in theory; sensibly managing this is a design choice.

Comparing routings possible in Reason that aren't possible with VSTs:

Some are loosely general case - there are techniques, tricks, and hacks that can do a few extra things in VSTs. Most hosts have some automation tricks. The point however is that the general case is, relatively, weak for VSTs and strong for Reason. It's fair to say that anything past these general cases in VST-land is limited by a fundamental inelegance - it's clashing with the VST standard, and there is always a work-around which is often technically or creatively limiting.

Other things are completely general case - it can be done in Reason, and there's no way to accomplish them with VSTs. In some sense you can always automate more, or build an audio clip in several stages. But, critically, this is not on-line; this is a smoking gun where a technical limitation alters the creative process.