I do have proper equipment to test, and you are right, there is some slight difference in the tone, but no one ever claimed (at least I didnt) Viper is 100.00000% exact replica of the Virus. It is meant to give a very similar tone and vibe. Even a Virus A/B/C/Ti have some difference. Viper might have different high register difference because of the anti aliasing method, and you can absolutely get them back with an EQ to match it much closer to a virus, but at this point we are talking about nitpicking, its not this slight difference thats going to be noticeable in a song, because you anyway EQ a track.Lbdunequest wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:36 amI dont want to get in to argument, but get some proper audio equipment for test (krks doesnt count, they are shit, something like barefoot, genelecs would do), because there is a clear difference in higher register of Viper vs Virus Ti vs Virus C. And no EQ is changing that on Viper no matter how much you would EQ. If you are not hearing the difference then im sorry, but there must be ear checking adressedadamtrance wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:00 amBarbarossa wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:35 pm IIMO Viper sounds too bright, brittle and hard and does not have the warm sound of the Virus/Emu.It seems you guys have never heard of this amazing thing and you never used it before. There is a secret weapon pro producers are using but SHHHH, dont tell anyone about it, let it be between us. Its called....an equalizer!Lbdunequest wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:46 pm Yep Virus C sounds cleaner aswel. Like its running at higher frequency rate (or oversampling). Viper's higher register seems unclean.
Use that and no plugin will be hard, soft, brittle, clean, dirty, warm, cold, you can make it into any combination you like![]()
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- KVRian
- 1238 posts since 29 Sep, 2004
http://www.adamszabo.com/ - Synths, soundsets and music
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- KVRAF
- 3220 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
No. The project leaders have some of these working but they are not releasing them... so far. They are trying to work something out with the original hardware manufacturers.
Prototech wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:27 pm Is Waldorf Microwave/ Q available? I cant find any info
or nord lead?
- KVRist
- 72 posts since 16 Aug, 2022
You can check progress herePrototech wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:27 pm Is Waldorf Microwave/ Q available? I cant find any info
or nord lead?
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
Its not really about the having exact replica. Its about clarity, for example other synths like Monark, Massive X has that clear high register. Viper does not and if you boost up high frequencies you only expose the uglynes of the sound. If you boost those frequencies on virus ti or c, you dont hear the uglyness, frequencies are smooth and clear.adamtrance wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:43 amI do have proper equipment to test, and you are right, there is some slight difference in the tone, but no one ever claimed (at least I didnt) Viper is 100.00000% exact replica of the Virus. It is meant to give a very similar tone and vibe. Even a Virus A/B/C/Ti have some difference. Viper might have different high register difference because of the anti aliasing method, and you can absolutely get them back with an EQ to match it much closer to a virus, but at this point we are talking about nitpicking, its not this slight difference thats going to be noticeable in a song, because you anyway EQ a track.Lbdunequest wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:36 amI dont want to get in to argument, but get some proper audio equipment for test (krks doesnt count, they are shit, something like barefoot, genelecs would do), because there is a clear difference in higher register of Viper vs Virus Ti vs Virus C. And no EQ is changing that on Viper no matter how much you would EQ. If you are not hearing the difference then im sorry, but there must be ear checking adressedadamtrance wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:00 amBarbarossa wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:35 pm IIMO Viper sounds too bright, brittle and hard and does not have the warm sound of the Virus/Emu.It seems you guys have never heard of this amazing thing and you never used it before. There is a secret weapon pro producers are using but SHHHH, dont tell anyone about it, let it be between us. Its called....an equalizer!Lbdunequest wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:46 pm Yep Virus C sounds cleaner aswel. Like its running at higher frequency rate (or oversampling). Viper's higher register seems unclean.
Use that and no plugin will be hard, soft, brittle, clean, dirty, warm, cold, you can make it into any combination you like![]()
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- KVRian
- 1238 posts since 29 Sep, 2004
what you are saying makes no sense but whatever
http://www.adamszabo.com/ - Synths, soundsets and music
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- KVRAF
- 3374 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
The OG Access Virus has magical fairy dust in the high end frequencies that sounds very good with massive EQ boosts. This cannot be recreated if you don't know how to put sorcery into your DSP.
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2
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- KVRAF
- 3220 posts since 23 Dec, 2002
If you want the Virus sound it is probably best to be running the actual code that the Virus was built on. I don't think that should be a controversial statement.
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- KVRist
- 281 posts since 4 Apr, 2014
Fascinating work, maybe "a game changer"
Virus emulation works great. I even installed it in VM, I have C5 32bit for old projects in there. JBridge f**** up drop down menus but you just hold mouse and press arrow keys to select value.
So yeah, this works in all DAWs old & new, and it's very low on CPU.
To be honest, I prefer Reveal Sound Spire - sound quality, and especially workflow. It was the reason I didn't get hardware Virus TI. But this emulator is awesome, you can use tons of Virus presets, create your own VA sounds and unlike Spire, CPU usage is quite low. It will be a useful tool.
I'm awaiting Waldorf Micro Q full version!
Virus emulation works great. I even installed it in VM, I have C5 32bit for old projects in there. JBridge f**** up drop down menus but you just hold mouse and press arrow keys to select value.
So yeah, this works in all DAWs old & new, and it's very low on CPU.
To be honest, I prefer Reveal Sound Spire - sound quality, and especially workflow. It was the reason I didn't get hardware Virus TI. But this emulator is awesome, you can use tons of Virus presets, create your own VA sounds and unlike Spire, CPU usage is quite low. It will be a useful tool.
I'm awaiting Waldorf Micro Q full version!
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- KVRAF
- 12084 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRist
- 281 posts since 4 Apr, 2014
It's beta version, you can't save state in DAW yet.SLiC wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:58 amWaldorf Micro Q beta is available to all now and is fully working...
viewtopic.php?t=596134
To be honest, Micro Q was never on my list. Even Nord Lead 3 was pretty low on the list.
Virus Series YES, JP8000/8080 YES Yamaha AN1X YES, among newer ones Korg KingKorg & Novation Summit (not as much as the others though). I guess it's a matter of taste.
Most of the sounds on Mircro Q are so harsh, cutting, almost "screaming", it takes a lot of work to get mixable sounds. One guy on Youtube made really warm, analog sounds, but never provided the bank for download or sale.
I am very happy that I can run Virus C on a PC, though it's more for sentimental reasons. More than 10 years ago, native VST synths simply outgrown hardware versions. With Diva and Spire I can do all I want... Perhaps it's ironic that Diva sounds more analog than all of VA hardware synths.
- KVRAF
- 14108 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
These ARE vintage synths. I thought the same about this, though the filters and effects are great, I really would go to Massive or Spire first.
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- Banned
- 6787 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
Jp8000 and AN1-X don't use motorolla cpu's for executing code , which is what the project is all about .frag wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:31 pm
To be honest, Micro Q was never on my list. Even Nord Lead 3 was pretty low on the list.
Virus Series YES, JP8000/8080 YES Yamaha AN1X YES, among newer ones Korg KingKorg & Novation Summit (not as much as the others though). I guess it's a matter of taste.
I hope for the nord modular next , already have the hardware since early 2000 but a 1:1 replica would be ace
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- KVRAF
- 12084 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I agree Spire probably sounds better than these old emulated synths, but they have a lot of history (and pre-sets) so even from a nostalgic point of view they are worth having in my opinion...the Virus hardware always sounded good to me.osiris wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:19 pm These ARE vintage synths. I thought the same about this, though the filters and effects are great, I really would go to Massive or Spire first.
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S88MK3, S1, BWS, Live + PUSH 3, Osmose, RedShift 6 Pro3, Tempera, Syntakt, Digitone II, OP1-F, OPXY, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRAF
- 1702 posts since 25 Jul, 2009
I'm trying to figure that out too.glasspipe wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:18 pm How do you save patches? Everytime I try to load a saved patch it doesn't show the .syx.mid patch I saved.
Edit: load a sound, edit it, and hit save. I get a message saying I can't save in that folder and would I like to save under user. Create a folder in user, and give the program a name and save it with a .syx extension.
Change to a different sound and then hit load. Navigate to the folder and click on the saved sound.
The displayed name won't change in the main display or the one on the right side of the load screen, but the sound changes and plays the new sound.
That's as far as I've gotten.
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