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Sampleconstruct wrote:I just worked 2 months with the much improved Alchemy 2 and it's by far more limited than Falcon due to it's 4 source-architecture where you can play sample maps within a source now also spectrally re-synthesized sample maps (or additive) or sampling or granular, but all samples in that source will always share the same envelope, the same filters and so forth. In Falcon you can assign a different filter/envelope/modulation setting to each sample/keygroup of a complex map or even mix different oscillator types on a single key, hundreds of keygroups with different oscillators and filters in a single patch if you dare, nothing Alchemy could ever do. The modulation system and snapshot morphing in alchemy is still unique though.
Well I spent my fair share in Alchemy 2 as well and I probably look at it in a very different light than you. It's obvious you are very keen about the sampling aspect of things (or the actual sound source). I'm more of a "lets make this patch interesting to play and mess around with" type of guy so for me it is all about subtle and not so subtle modulation possibilities (and it's one of the things I consider "the core" of any kind of synthesis. Sound sources are basic building blocks while the modulation makes it come alive.. that's my philosophy on synthesis).

In this area Falcon is nowhere near as flexible as Alchemy/Alchemy 2. Not even in the same universe.
Sampleconstruct wrote:And Kontakt is just a sample player with a nice time-stretching function, so i don't understand the comparison at all. There is nothing hybrid in Kontakt.
You're right. Purely technically it's not hybrid as it's only sound source is the sample stuff.

For me Kontakt is primarily a sample player but I can treat it as a synthesizer due to it's flexibility of being able to assign envelopes, LFO's and other modulators to almost anything (including the effects) and have pretty high amount of control how that modulation works.. but yeah, you are right. Kontakt is not a good comparison (though it wouldn't be far off if they added a VA synth osc, a wavetable osc and some other goodies).

The start of the sound source is much less important to me. The way I can treat it afterwards is what makes synthesis interesting for me. It's the way I create stuff. So yeah, this is all down to personal preference and purely subjective.

Anyhow, so to make it clear: From MY perspective, Falcon is actually severely limited in a multitude of ways.. It seems that to get things working the way I need it to, I have to go through a setup that feels like a work around to me.
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Sampleconstruct wrote: I just worked 2 months with the much improved Alchemy 2 and it's by far more limited than Falcon due to it's 4 source-architecture ...
Not to mention that if only runs on a friggin' Mac. :D

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dmbaer wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote: I just worked 2 months with the much improved Alchemy 2 and it's by far more limited than Falcon due to it's 4 source-architecture ...
Not to mention that if only runs on a friggin' Mac. :D
Like a lot of software which is Mac or PC only.

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Key difference this one used to be cross-platform before they went to the dark side...

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bmanic wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:I just worked 2 months with the much improved Alchemy 2 and it's by far more limited than Falcon due to it's 4 source-architecture where you can play sample maps within a source now also spectrally re-synthesized sample maps (or additive) or sampling or granular, but all samples in that source will always share the same envelope, the same filters and so forth. In Falcon you can assign a different filter/envelope/modulation setting to each sample/keygroup of a complex map or even mix different oscillator types on a single key, hundreds of keygroups with different oscillators and filters in a single patch if you dare, nothing Alchemy could ever do. The modulation system and snapshot morphing in alchemy is still unique though.
Well I spent my fair share in Alchemy 2 as well and I probably look at it in a very different light than you. It's obvious you are very keen about the sampling aspect of things (or the actual sound source). I'm more of a "lets make this patch interesting to play and mess around with" type of guy so for me it is all about subtle and not so subtle modulation possibilities (and it's one of the things I consider "the core" of any kind of synthesis. Sound sources are basic building blocks while the modulation makes it come alive.. that's my philosophy on synthesis).

In this area Falcon is nowhere near as flexible as Alchemy/Alchemy 2. Not even in the same universe.
Sampleconstruct wrote:And Kontakt is just a sample player with a nice time-stretching function, so i don't understand the comparison at all. There is nothing hybrid in Kontakt.
You're right. Purely technically it's not hybrid as it's only sound source is the sample stuff.

For me Kontakt is primarily a sample player but I can treat it as a synthesizer due to it's flexibility of being able to assign envelopes, LFO's and other modulators to almost anything (including the effects) and have pretty high amount of control how that modulation works.. but yeah, you are right. Kontakt is not a good comparison (though it wouldn't be far off if they added a VA synth osc, a wavetable osc and some other goodies).

The start of the sound source is much less important to me. The way I can treat it afterwards is what makes synthesis interesting for me. It's the way I create stuff. So yeah, this is all down to personal preference and purely subjective.

Anyhow, so to make it clear: From MY perspective, Falcon is actually severely limited in a multitude of ways.. It seems that to get things working the way I need it to, I have to go through a setup that feels like a work around to me.
I don't have a philosophy, i just love to combine acoustic and electronic sound sources and modulate the heck out of them on all possible levels. It's not either or for me anyway, good to have all these tools available in parallel, there will never be the one instrument that satisfies us all.

As fas as I know you can always re-sell Falcon.

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EvilDragon wrote:Key difference this one used to be cross-platform before they went to the dark side...
You don't say.

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I just wanted to quickly say that I've had Falcon for a couple of days and it's absolutely fantastic.

I'm sure many of the comments on the thread, and feature suggestions are spot on. Still: the whole thing is just amazing and I'm really enjoying making sounds on it, and ones which have already made it into the production I'm working on, which is quite a good sign!
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I never owned Alchemy 1 or 2, so for me, this is the most flexible synth I've ever owned, even more so than Omnisphere.

YMMV.

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Sampleconstruct wrote: I don't have a philosophy, i just love to combine acoustic and electronic sound sources and modulate the heck out of them on all possible levels. It's not either or for me anyway, good to have all these tools available in parallel, there will never be the one instrument that satisfies us all.

As fas as I know you can always re-sell Falcon.
An instrument that can satisfy us all, well, Falcon could have been very very close. I'm sure it'll get a lot better over time so I'm not selling it just yet if the refund request doesn't go through.

It's just up to version 1.0 so there's lots of room to improve it still. Though I guess they have to be careful about keeping the backwards compatibility working. We'll see how it turns out.

To add something positive about Falcon so it's not too one sided from my part: The actual sound quality is extremely impressive. I really like the quality of all the effects I've tried so far and of course we all already knew sparkverb was impressive (which is why it hurts me so much I can't modulate it with crazy stuff easily! :cry: ) but it doesn't end there. All of the oscillators sound pretty damn good too and I've had no problems creating really snappy envelopes either. LFO at 20kHz sounds good (why can't we go higher? If it sounds this good at 20kHz then a bit higher would bring us into the pseudo ring mod territory for some interesting additional effects).

The presets that come with the synth are very good showcases as well, at least the 50 or so that I've randomly tried so far. Very nice indeed.
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EvilDragon wrote:Key difference this one used to be cross-platform before they went to the dark side...
Good point. I ended up buying a Mac Mini to be able to use it. :lol:
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bmanic wrote: Anyhow, so to make it clear: From MY perspective, Falcon is actually severely limited in a multitude of ways.. It seems that to get things working the way I need it to, I have to go through a setup that feels like a work around to me.
Could you clarify what are those multiple of ways ?

I agree that mod source that needs triggering can only be used on per voice parameter.
Although this is something that few people would use, I can see their use.
but please let me know what are you other gripes ?

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Use the multi envelope for LFO speeds in the audible range, you can also create your own shapes in there.

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bmanic wrote:... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

thank you for your input. when and if you get the time, and after you've had more experience with Falcon, it would be great to get your review on it... particular in bullet point form, the CONS and PROS .. how it compares in/favourably to its nearest relatives on the synth and sampler side.


At any rate, I'll be waiting until the very last minute to take advantage of my crossgrade offer... I'll let the early-adopters do the bug reporting, and also I'd like to wait for valuable feedback from a wide range of users. ideally I'd like to demo the thing for myself, but until then, please keep the 'warts and all' reviews coming... it brings a little balance to the shilling and gushing fanboys.

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Ugh.. another question: Is there a way to simply drag n drop / cut or paste an element from one keygroup to another? So I have this wavetable setup in keygroup 1 with some modulations and stuff but I created another keygroup and want to move the wavetable part to keygroup 2 without losing any of the modulation assignments. Surely this must be possible somehow? I tried dragging and dropping in the tree view but I can't do it. There's also no copy/cut/paste available. So far the workaround I've found is to save a preset and then reload that preset in a newly created wavetable osc in the other keygroup but this way I lose all the modulation I had assigned.
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