New granular synth: The Mangle

[1wob2many]

Calm down. I think you are taking this a bit too seriously. You do realise I was having a little joke, don't you? And nobody has attacked kv331 in quite the way you are suggesting.

But while the developer's participation in this thread may have fizzled out, there may be people coming to this thread for information about The Mangle - even if it is just to discover that the developer is currently AWOL. Posting feature requests for a completely different synth is not very helpful.

[wagtunes]

Calm down. I think you are taking this a bit too seriously. You do realise I was having a little joke, don't you? And nobody has attacked kv331 in quite the way you are suggesting.

But while the developer's participation in this thread may have fizzled out, there may be people coming to this thread for information about The Mangle - even if it is just to discover that the developer is currently AWOL. Posting feature requests for a completely different synth is not very helpful.

Well, you know what? It's a 73 page thread. Finding anything useful is like looking for a needle in a haystack anyway. So probably what the OP should do, if he's still around, is edit the main post, explain the dev is missing and even edit the thread title so people know that The Mangle is currently MIA.

That would ultimately be more helpful than trying to keep a thread that's gotten this big clean.

[1wob2many]

These Synthmaster posts could arguably be considered on-topic in the sense of "viable granular alternatives to the now-defunct The Mangle".

You could be the next Sean Spicer. And arguably that should be it's own separate thread.

The Mangle is still for sale, so whether it is defunct or not is another question. I guess it's up to a prospective purchaser to decide whether they want to buy a product where there's little chance of any support and it doesn't look like there will be any future development.

[GeorgeZ]

....speaking of which, I should probably DL the latest version before the site goes up in flames (been a bit of a frequent occurrence of late with smaller devs ).
Disclaimer: I'm not saying the site's going down, but they all do eventually... amirite?

[Daimonicon]

AWOL, MIA? Am I getting old? Don't know what it means.

[pottering]

Mangle is great, works fine. Seems it works fine for most people, few complaints about actual bugs.

People who complained about dev not answering emails haven't posted again, probably means the dev does answer the emails, just takes too long for most people's taste (a week or more maybe? well, too long).

[wagtunes]

Mangle is great, works fine. Seems it works fine for most people, few complaints about actual bugs.

People who complained about dev not answering emails haven't posted again, probably means the dev does answer the emails, just takes too long for most people's taste (a week or more maybe? well, too long).

Just because people haven't come back to this thread to report their progress or lack thereof means nothing.

I personally worked with Tom for close to a year. We were working on this together, my part creating a library for him to include with the Mangle so there were some presets for buyers to start off with. I only asked one thing in return. He said yes.

That was the last I heard from him. After countless emails to him, I finally gave up.

No, he doesn't respond. He flat out admitted to me even while we were working together that he was a terrible communicator. But I guess after he got my library he didn't need my services anymore and had no reason to respond to me anymore.

I'll always give somebody the benefit of the doubt, but in this case, he doesn't deserve it, AT ALL. He went back on his promise and as far as I'm concerned, that makes him a con man. Hell, I don't even know if he ended up including the library in the Mangle as I had already bought mine before the deal was made. Only buyers after me can verify yes or no.

Point is, he doesn't communicate. That's an established fact.

[dark water]

People who complained about dev not answering emails haven't posted again, probably means the dev does answer the emails, just takes too long for most people's taste (a week or more maybe? well, too long).

'A week or more maybe'?
Do you seriously think we musicians would be frustrated if we were waiting for a few days? @_@!!

In my case, try five months and three emails to Tom with no reply until further action was taken (my issue was concerning his newer product, Tangle, and its problems with my Ableton 32-bit setup).
''Curiously'', as soon as I raised the matter with Tom via Paypal after five months, I swiftly received an email from PP saying that Tom had refunded my money, but with no actual words/explanation from him at all.


As put by others and myself here, the Mangle is a good synth.
It's just a shame the developer couldn't care less for people who have bought his products.

[wagtunes]

People who complained about dev not answering emails haven't posted again, probably means the dev does answer the emails, just takes too long for most people's taste (a week or more maybe? well, too long).

'A week or more maybe'?
Do you seriously think we musicians would be frustrated if we were waiting for a few days? @_@!!

In my case, try five months and three emails to Tom with no reply until further action was taken (my issue was concerning his newer product, Tangle, and its problems with my Ableton 32-bit setup).
''Curiously'', as soon as the bank got involved, I swiftly received an email from Tom refunding my money this spring but with no actual words/explanation from him at all.


As put by others and myself here, the Mangle is a good synth.
It's just a shame the developer couldn't care less for people who have bought his products.

Or contributed to them.

Oh, and by the way. All I asked in return for my library was a link on his page to my larger library. That's all. One lousy link.

Go to the site and see if it's there.

But he sure did get the work I did for him.

This is why I refuse to work with anybody ever again.

[dark water]

^^ Yep, that sucks for sure.
Though don't let him act as a barometer for all devs, particularly as you enjoy making sounds for synths.

Anyway:
Mangle = good but unsupported.
Tangle = buggy on my machine and unsupported.

[1wob2many]

No dead yet.
https://www.sonicacademy.com/courses/th ... -294571649

Here's the first video, published on 9 June 2017, "How To Use Sound Guru's The Mangle - Overview":

[Musical Gym]

[ontol]

Dear reader,

Please forgive this intrusion into this discussion concerning how Mangle and other granular synths relate to Wagtunes, but I needed to serve a complaint to him, and this seemed as good a platform as any.

I'd suggest just scrolling on down past this monstrous post, as it's just about Wagston, and my complaint concerning the difference in what I have read in the past, and what I am reading currently.

June 7, 2017 edited for emphasis:

I personally worked with Tom for close to a year. We were working on this together, my part creating a library for him to include with the Mangle so there were some presets for buyers to start off with. I only asked one thing in return. He said yes.

June 7, 2017 edited for emphasis:

In fact, I was surprised we had as many communications as we did. But that was when The Mangle was still in beta and we were trying to get it working. Now that it's relatively stable, the need for communicating just isn't there anymore.

But history shows us:

DATED JAN 5, 2015 (edited):

Just picked this up about 20 minutes ago and all I can say is OMG.

DATED FEB 21, 2015 (edited):
Hey Tom, great to hear from you. I was starting to get worried that my emails were getting lost in cyberspace.

DATED FEB 28, 2015:
I've offered Tom 50 of mine (350 in the complete collection) if he's interested. I haven't heard back from him yet on it.

DATED JULY 3, 2015 (edited):
I am currently waiting for him to get back to me in regard to 50 patches I've created for the "factory" library when it's released.

DATED AUG 5, 2015: Has anybody tried to contact and/or heard from Tom in the last 2 months? I've been emailing him since July 1 every week or so with no response.

(separate post, also Aug 5)

Without my help, that synth wouldn't be where it is today.

(on a roll, separate post also Aug 5)

I've already wasted too much time on this project already.

Aw, come on Waggy, are you that self-absorbed?

It's a bit dumb for me to scroll through this thread looking for your posts to quote, but as I have been following it as a Mangle user since purchasing the public beta sometime in 2014 (read as: personally working alongside Tom for several years ), and sort of knew about where to look. I just wanted to go ahead and show what the following accusation of BS was based on.

It really would be best served as a PM, but I'm trying to avoid being called some sort of stalker, and would probably be less concerned being labeled a troll, or whatever villain is opposite the victimized role you claim when being called out for your performances here and on other forums.

Enough of the preamble, here's my charge:

Official Calling of BS statement:

You bought it in January of 2015, several months after a majority of folks, including me, were reporting and experiencing stable use on a variety of systems. Several years since the OP had posted.

Yes, it was still in public beta when you bought it(like v 0.7?) with a few bugs but improving. Buying a copy and offering up presets (then more presets, then more) to a dev who is, by your own posts, barely responding to you over a period of 4 months is not personally working alongside someone as a key member of the beta team for nearly a year, helping make the software stable as you seem to be claiming.

You pointed out a flaw in the preset system that would have made it difficult for third parties to sell soundbanks or users to share presets, thank you. Sincerely. It had no impact at all on the stability of my copy at all, but thanks just the same. Every flaw worked out is great.

You created several sets of presets, which instead of being a waste of your time, are now for sale. Thank you. Sincerely. I don't use presets in my work with Mangle, but some may, so there again you may have contributed to the usefulness of this for someone, somewhere.

Then there's the other thing you did: trashed the dev publicly and personally several times, throwing out accusations of him being "not professional" (oh, the irony) and have now upgraded it to "con-man".

It's a shame that you no longer will work with others professionally; I was really looking forward to you personally improving many more synths.

Heck, we might could have done something together, you seem like a real hoot to work with.

This is not a defense of the dev, his absence, his actions or lack thereof, his choice of footwear, or of the software he wrote.

For once, truly and purely, you lil' Wagabond--this was just about you.

[1wob2many]

Well, you know what? It's a 73 page thread. Finding anything useful is like looking for a needle in a haystack anyway.

53 of the pages are your posts and the responses thereto.

[dark water]

Probably time to lock the thread?

Dev no longer communicating;
Customers/users of Mangle arguing and counter-arguing;
73 pages is surely enough for anyone to get a flavour of what this unsupported synth can, or can't, do by now.