DUNE 3 is now available!!

[Ghost Dog]

Edit in response to the Edit above.......

Gave it another try, and they sound identical to me. My ears obviously work differently from day to day.

I can feel the difference in the lowest octaves. Above that, I don't recognize any and don't really see any on an oscilloscope.

Just to be sure, I'll mention that I first try to find the differences using ears only. Only after that do I look for differences using oscilloscopes and spectrum analizers. And I don't lie to myself, or the others, about whether I was able to hear something and/or whether what I saw in the analizer windows was different from what I've heard.

Also, I'm not saying that differences are great in this case (they are not, to say the very least). Just pointing out there are differences, because others have mentioned there aren't any.

[Ghost Dog]

Sorry, I missed this post ....

the only diff to the VA osc is the addition of the "swarm mode"

Not true. Run the lowest octaves through an oscilloscope. See what happens.

ok, let me rephrase that.... its the only difference the beta team and public have been informed of.

i could check when i get home, but ive got more interesting things to do

Well, I don't see how the "I've got more interesting things to do" attitude helps you in better informing yourself in this case, but I also have more interesting things to do, so I won't worry about it too much.

[zvenx]

I had up an audio comparison quite a few pages ago. Alas only one person participated..
He got 4/6 correct.

Rsp

[perfumer]

If the diagram says that the FX is BETWEEN the filters, this means that the output of F1 goes into FX - but I don't hear it when at Center, AND that the input for F2 comes from FX - but I don't hear it when at Center. So, if Center is parallel, you should be hearing both filters, WITH the FX after the first one, and the FX before the second one. OK, this doubles it, but maybe the FX also needs some type of crossfade, to keep the volume even.

Thus, the serial diagram with FX in the middle is misleading, because it doesn't do what it says it does.

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

You're right. There was another user who expected a 3-way blend between F1,FX,F2 for some reason, I thought this is what you meant- should have read more closely.

Looking into this right now

Richard

Thanks Richard!

[AnX]

Sorry, I missed this post ....

the only diff to the VA osc is the addition of the "swarm mode"

Not true. Run the lowest octaves through an oscilloscope. See what happens.

ok, let me rephrase that.... its the only difference the beta team and public have been informed of.

i could check when i get home, but ive got more interesting things to do

Well, I don't see how the "I've got more interesting things to do" attitude helps you in better informing yourself in this case, but I also have more interesting things to do, so I won't worry about it too much.

i dont need to be "better informed"

i havent used D2 since July, and all my patches sound exactly the same, so its all good here.

if they sounded the slightest bit different, Rich would have known about it from me, trust me on that.

[Richard_Synapse]

You're right. There was another user who expected a 3-way blend between F1,FX,F2 for some reason, I thought this is what you meant- should have read more closely.

Looking into this right now

Richard

Thanks Richard!

Ok just to clarify here's the current routing modes and how they should blend, using Left, Center, Right as an example, and incorporating the filter effect. Both filters should be in use (not turned off). There is other ways to blend (& we plan to add more), but this is the current status.

Serial cascade F1->FX->F2: Blend goes from F1->FX (left) to F1->FX->F2 (Center) over to F2 (right).

Serial cascade FX->F1->F2: FX is applied first. Then blend is from F1 (left) over F1->F2 (Center) to F2 (right).

Serial cascade F1->F2->FX: Blend is from F1 (left) over F1->F2 (Center) to F2 (right). FX follows.

Parallel setup F1, F2: Blend is from F1 (left), over F1 and F2 in parallel (Center), to F2 (right). FX follows.

I'm checking everything again now

Richard

[Ghost Dog]

i dont need to be "better informed" ....

Good for you.

Edit:

Ok, I actually made these pics several days ago, just in case I'd need them (didn't think I would, but alas).

Same settings - init patch, filters removed (adding the same filter does practically nothing in this comparison).

See the difference? It's there. I was able to hear it as well. Again, it's not a great difference, but there is some difference.

I don't put too much weight on it (for the saw osc at least, the pulse one is different and better in D3, IMHO), but I can't say there isn't any difference when there is.

[bsp804]

You're right. There was another user who expected a 3-way blend between F1,FX,F2 for some reason, I thought this is what you meant- should have read more closely.

Looking into this right now

Richard

Thanks Richard!

Ok just to clarify here's the current routing modes and how they should blend, using Left, Center, Right as an example, and incorporating the filter effect. Both filters should be in use (not turned off). There is other ways to blend (& we plan to add more), but this is the current status.

Serial cascade F1->FX->F2: Blend goes from F1->FX (left) to F1->FX->F2 (Center) over to FX->F2 (right).

Serial cascade FX->F1->F2: FX is applied first. Then blend is from F1 (left) over F1->F2 (Center) to F2 (right).

Serial cascade F1->F2->FX: Blend is from F1 (left) over F1->F2 (Center) to F2 (right). FX follows.

Parallel setup F1, F2: Blend is from F1 (left), over F1 and F2 in parallel (Center), to F2 (right). FX follows.

I'm checking everything again now

Richard

Hi Richard,

remember I emailed you about the same issue shortly after you released your synth ?

the F1->FX->F2 routing is definitely not working as described.
In the center position, the effect is not audible at all.

please fix it

Cheers,
bsp

[cytospur]

i dont need to be "better informed" ....

Good for you.

Edit:

Ok, I actually made these pics several days ago, just in case I'd need them (didn't think I would, but alas).

Same settings - init patch, filters removed (adding the same filter does practically nothing in this comparison).

See the difference? It's there. I was able to hear it as well. Again, it's not a great difference, but there is some difference.

I don't put too much weight on it (for the saw osc at least, the pulse one is different and better in D3, IMHO), but I can't say there isn't any difference when there is.

I've just found the same after reading earlier in this thread. It looks like D3 has a lower frequency low cut filter applied to it than that in D2.

[AnX]

i dont need to be "better informed" ....

Good for you.

Edit:

Ok, I actually made these pics several days ago, just in case I'd need them (didn't think I would, but alas).

Same settings - init patch, filters removed (adding the same filter does practically nothing in this comparison).

See the difference? It's there. I was able to hear it as well. Again, it's not a great difference, but there is some difference.

I don't put too much weight on it (for the saw osc at least, the pulse one is different and better in D3, IMHO), but I can't say there isn't any difference when there is.

sure, i can see a difference (looks quite a big diff to be honest) but as I said, my presets sound exactly the same, and i never use a raw osc sound, so it makes no difference to me

(i actually prefer using samples of my hardware for osc shapes in the WT osc)

[Richard_Synapse]

Have to check, however Dune 3 does not replace Dune 2. Dune 3 has its own name, its own plugin ID, and its own data folder.

So old projects using Dune 2 are still going to open Dune 2, nothing will change, nothing gets broken etc.

Richard

[dtrt313]

You're right. There was another user who expected a 3-way blend between F1,FX,F2 for some reason, I thought this is what you meant- should have read more closely.

Looking into this right now

Richard

Thanks Richard!

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Hi Richard,

remember I emailed you about the same issue shortly after you released your synth ?

the F1->FX->F2 routing is definitely not working as described.
In the center position, the effect is not audible at all.

please fix it

Cheers,
bsp

Indeed. Very easy to demonstrate from an init patch (happy to send a file if needed!)

[Richard_Synapse]

We're working on this dtrt313, will be fixed.

Richard

[Cinebient]

We're working on this dtrt313, will be fixed.

Richard

What about the automation bug in Logic?

[Richard_Synapse]

PM sent, we need a few more details here.

Richard