PG8X (inspired by the JX8P): new beta version uploaded

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AdmiralQuality wrote:Seems to be an issue with the Dynamics setting.

Try the 74 ORGAN 2 patch to demo this. When I set the VCA Dynamics to 3, then play the slowest velocity I can (presumably MIDI velocity 1), I can still hear the note. But when I set it to 2 and play MIDI velocity 1, I hear nothing. Yet when I set it to 1 and play MIDI velocity 1, it's louder as you'd expect.

It sounds almost like Dynamics positions 2 and 3 are swapped. Some more playing with it reveals that this seems to be the case with the other 2 Dynamics settings as well.

The velocity response also feels kind of "off" (in an exaggerated way) to me right across the board. But I don't have a JX-8P to compare it to. I don't remember them being that hard to play with good dynamics though. Feels a bit wrong.
As I was saying, I still need to do some fine calibrations. But, I should mention that also on the hardware, only dynamics setting 2 goes to zero volume for zero velocity. In fact, only dynamics 2 is linear, both others are more or less quadratic with different offsets, i.e. base volume at minimal velocity.
And it still doesn't keep changes to program state the way a VST is supposed to. You're not supposed to have to explicitly hit a "write" button to keep changes to a program. (If you were, the host itself would offer the Write button. And a one-slider VST like the AGain example wouldn't be possible, as it would never save its program state. Right?)
Please, have a look in the MIDI panel. You will find a slider called Preset Saving Behaviour (names on the GUI are still rubbish...). Set it to ON and it will behave as you want. We had plenty of discussion about this here in this thread, and there were enough people wanting it one or the other way, that I ended up implementing both.

I know, it's a bit hard to find all these things without a proper manual, but I first want to get the functionality sorted out, then the GUI, and then the manual.

Cheers,
Martin

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Cool, thanks!

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I just played through the factory banks and it took much longer than I'd anticipated. ;-) It was a long time since I had so much fun going through "new" (old…) sounds.

The PG-8X is really a wonderful instrument, with a (at least to me, who never had the JX) surprisingly wide and satisfying palette of sound colours. A keeper, for sure!

Thank you, Martin!

/Joachim
If it were easy, anybody could do it!

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fmr wrote: For me it worked fine. Just one small detail. The patch "Choir" appears twice, and the patch "May S Wind" is missing. Martin, could you check if it's the case with your JX-8P. In the library I have this patch in there, right after "Choir".

Since I don't own a JX-8P I can't try this patch on my own, to see if it's worthing the trouble or not.
Sorry about that. Since the JX8P does not support bulk dumps, i had to transfer the one by one and must have hit the wrong button.

I will replace that once i have time.

Cheers,
Martin

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lionscub68 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
lionscub68 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:I'm getting hanged notes in both Unison and Mono modes... I apologize if this was already stated.
I've stated the same thing about 6 months ago, fairly certain it's on Martin's list.
To verify, are you getting it when using a sustain pedal, and playing two notes?

Here's how to reproduce the error, in mono/unison mode:
play a note
press & hold sustain pedal
release first note
play a second note
release sustain pedal
release second note

the first note will continue to play, until you play that note again.

No sustain pedal used at all! I just play some notes in Poly mode, then switch to Unison or Mono mode and getting voices playing constantly. Very annoying.
Ah, you're getting it with mode switching as well. That's sort of identical to what I'm doing above (in mono mode). It's a note-off/note-priority issue.
Thanks for the reports. I thought that i fixed it, but apparently, something is still wrong. I will check it.

Martin.

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martin_l wrote:
fmr wrote: For me it worked fine. Just one small detail. The patch "Choir" appears twice, and the patch "May S Wind" is missing. Martin, could you check if it's the case with your JX-8P. In the library I have this patch in there, right after "Choir".

Since I don't own a JX-8P I can't try this patch on my own, to see if it's worthing the trouble or not.
Sorry about that. Since the JX8P does not support bulk dumps, i had to transfer the one by one and must have hit the wrong button.

I will replace that once i have time.

Cheers,
Martin
You can do that, but both I and RexXx already uploaded that patch, and you can use it, if you want. I recreated mine based on the parameters displayed in the SoundDiver editor. But it may be fun to compare with what comes out of the JX-8P :wink:
Fernando (FMR)

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EvilDragon wrote:
lionscub68 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:I'm getting hanged notes in both Unison and Mono modes... I apologize if this was already stated.
I've stated the same thing about 6 months ago, fairly certain it's on Martin's list.
To verify, are you getting it when using a sustain pedal, and playing two notes?

Here's how to reproduce the error, in mono/unison mode:
play a note
press & hold sustain pedal
release first note
play a second note
release sustain pedal
release second note

the first note will continue to play, until you play that note again.
No sustain pedal used at all! I just play some notes in Poly mode, then switch to Unison or Mono mode and getting voices playing constantly. Very annoying.
Seems I don`t have it and can not reproduce it on Windows. :phew:
An OS-X, AU or host issue only?
It`s not a bug... it`s a feature!

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W7, latest version of Reaper, 64-bit VSTi.

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EvilDragon wrote:W7, latest version of Reaper, 64-bit VSTi.
OK. I have the latest reaper 64bit on Win7. I will try it later. Hopefully I can find the bug.

Do you actually hold keys while you change the Poly mode?

Martin

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Nope, I play a note or two with the default patch, then switch to Unison or Mono mode. I hear voices faintly in the background. If I set VCA velocity to OFF, then it all becomes louder and not really playable because of it. Feels like a constant bagpipe drone :)

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Hmmm... hanging doesn't happen when using Reaper's virtual MIDI keyboard. Only when using my Yamaha AN1x as controller.


Time to MIDI monitor this bitch! :D


Hmmm. Nothing weird in the MIDI stream, notes seem to be getting note offs as they're supposed to... :/
Last edited by EvilDragon on Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

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EvilDragon wrote:Nope, I play a note or two with the default patch, then switch to Unison or Mono mode. I hear voices faintly in the background. If I set VCA velocity to OFF, then it all becomes louder and not really playable because of it. Feels like a constant bagpipe drone :)
Ah! That's a useful bit of information. So, it seems voices which are playing a long release tail get "frozen in" when changing polyphony.

I guess I never tested that. I'll have a look...

Thanks,
Martin

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Might it be Active Sensing messages? I see my Yamaha sends them out constantly.

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EvilDragon wrote:Might it be Active Sensing messages? I see my Yamaha sends them out constantly.
They should be ignored...

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Bizarre... Why would everything work fine with virtual MIDI keyboard, but not with an actual MIDI keyboard :/

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