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[dastewart]

Wishing that WA are proactively working on the deliverables they set out to achieve in their roadmap from last year

I can't remember exactly what they promised but I think it's reasonable to assume that Triaz updates aren't going to come thick and fast and if you buy it then you need to be happy with what it is rather than what it may become.

Shame because I think what is there is really good but doesn't look like it's going to mature and develop. It's just about okay for me but plenty of workflow frustrations too.

[dermage]

Triaz is still the best soft drum Sampler I own. Absolute goto in terms of sample quality and variety. I bought the expansion pack just to support them and keep development ongoing.

[Caine123]

sad that they got so silent for many months, i dont like it when they are so active the first time around and suddenly dead silence, never feeling good...

[dermage]

I guess they work on revolution based on triaz with multi sampling. Maybe a bigger project than they anticipated.
My prediction is a release this year around Christmas or end of year. Then triaz will again receive more features too.

[kraster]

As it's on sale, I am on the verge of getting the Triaz Expansion Bundle. Anyone has experience with it, what are your thoughts?
Are there any additional discounts available?

Drift is a great expansion. Mainly gritty hip hop style but a huge amount of samples.

The others are good too but more specialised into sub genres.

There's an absolute mountain of content with them all though.

[_leras]

They have some Triaz updates in the works.

From what they said to me it sounds like they're paying attention to feedback and quietly get on with implementing it.

I'm quite happy with it already, but the features they said they were adding are ones that have been requested in this thread.

There was one thing I asked about, and they said that was in the works too.

I think there will be happy Triaz users when the update arrives.

[Fornicras]

How would you compare Triaz vs Atlas 2 vs XO? Which one do you prefer?

I was a long-time user of Atlas 2 because of the randomize kit feature and having 16 pads. But its sample recognition doesn't work as great as XO IMO. Often it thinks the sample is snare while it's clap, for example.

XO, on the other hand, is great when it comes to this, but it only has 8 pads available, and 2 of them are labeled as Kick, which is not useful to me. Because I never use 2 kick samples in one song.

I tried Triaz when it first released. The UI and sequencer were okay, but it was quite hard to browse through user samples. I wonder if anything changed in that regard?

[dastewart]

I tried XO and Atlas before deciding on Triaz but none of them are perfect so it really depends on your own workflow preferences and which one fits best. They've all got a free demo so just see which one suits you.

_leras, I'll believe it when I see it. Anything "in the works" is vapourware until announced/released.

[jimbog]

How would you compare Triaz vs Atlas 2 vs XO? Which one do you prefer?

I was a long-time user of Atlas 2 because of the randomize kit feature and having 16 pads. But its sample recognition doesn't work as great as XO IMO. Often it thinks the sample is snare while it's clap, for example.

XO, on the other hand, is great when it comes to this, but it only has 8 pads available, and 2 of them are labeled as Kick, which is not useful to me. Because I never use 2 kick samples in one song.

I tried Triaz when it first released. The UI and sequencer were okay, but it was quite hard to browse through user samples. I wonder if anything changed in that regard?

I have all three plugins and still use all three depending on the project I'm working on. They all have their own merits. I really wanted Triaz to be my one stop shop solution for a drum sampler/machine, but it falls short in ways that Atlas and XO deliver.
The best way to see the difference is to download the free trials and experience them for yourself, as written feedback on a thread will always be less useful than first hand experience.

[Fornicras]

I just tried the demo of Triaz. I couldn't figure out how to add my own samples without copying them to Triaz's User Sample folder, it doesn't let me set a custom folder.

Also I can't set a preset of mine with customs samples to be the default preset so when I hit reset, it loads that. Instead it loads its own default preset.

Overall sequencer is better than any of them also to be able to play pitched sample through some keyboard range, it's a feature I needed when I used Atlas and XO.

If I can figure out the things I asked, I might buy it actually.

[kraster]

How would you compare Triaz vs Atlas 2 vs XO? Which one do you prefer?

I was a long-time user of Atlas 2 because of the randomize kit feature and having 16 pads. But its sample recognition doesn't work as great as XO IMO. Often it thinks the sample is snare while it's clap, for example.

XO, on the other hand, is great when it comes to this, but it only has 8 pads available, and 2 of them are labeled as Kick, which is not useful to me. Because I never use 2 kick samples in one song.

I tried Triaz when it first released. The UI and sequencer were okay, but it was quite hard to browse through user samples. I wonder if anything changed in that regard?

Triaz is head and shoulders above XO and Atlas in terms of what you can do with the samples.

Each instrument slot can have three independent layers. Each layer has a sample that has an AHR, sample offset, Slop (random variability) and panning. A pitch section with envelope and LFO. A multimode filter with drive, envelope and LFO.

You can crossfade between layers by using the X-Y pad and automate those positions in the sequencer. You can also link layers so a change in one reflects in the others.

Each slot has its own EQ, compressor and tone shaping section with a transient shaper, multi mode distortion, bit crusher, sample rate reduction, a vintage style pitch shifter, an ott style compressor and a width control.

Each slot can also be played chromatically if you want that.

There are three bus effects, an algorithmic reverb, a convolution and an analog style delay.

The master section has an EQ, compressor and a maximiser with multiple drive types, a noise generator with multiple types, a master OTT, a clipper and a limiter.

The sequencer has dedicated lanes for per step velocity, pitch, ratcheting, start offset, chance and a motion sequencer where you can assign pretty much any parameter.

Each lane can have its own meter and rate. There's a per track humanize function.

You can export patterns as midi, either as the entire pattern or individual parts. You can also export audio.

There's randomisation for both the sound and sequencer sections.

There's also multi outs for routing in your daw.

In terms of sample browsing that's where Atlas and XO are considerably ahead but there are so many ways to shape a sound and a very generous variety of factory samples the need for having massive banks of samples isn't as important.

I use symbolic links in the User sample folder to get around having to copy samples to the Triaz folder and I haven't had an issue with it.

It's absolutely my go to sample based drum machine.

[_leras]

Atlas can be quite fun for selecting samples with it's grouped universe of sounds. I didn't love the rest of the UI though. My biggest issue with Atlas is it seemed to max and overload the output quite often. It needs some work

Traiz can be improved in this regard, and I expect it's being worked on.

But the Triaz sequencer is much better for my uses. And I love how easy it is to drop drum patterns into Bitwig (and presumably other DAWs).

[_leras]

_leras, I'll believe it when I see it. Anything "in the works" is vapourware until announced/released.

Yes nothing is available until it's released.

I don't blame them for not wanting to put out estimates for next deliverables. People jump all over these if not quite met.

Anyway on the time frames that were indicated at the start of June something should be coming pretty soon.

[_leras]

I use symbolic links in the User sample folder to get around having to copy samples to the Triaz folder and I haven't had an issue with it.

It's absolutely my go to sample based drum machine.

Great run down of the features.

User folders for samples is something they did mention is on their feature list.

[dastewart]

I use symbolic links in the User sample folder to get around having to copy samples to the Triaz folder and I haven't had an issue with it.

That is totally awesome and I've just made a whole heap of symbolic links with the help of this particular website so I can access all my thousands of samples direct from Triaz

https://www.howtogeek.com/16226/complet ... -or-linux/

I really didn't need to have this level of choice because I think the samples that come with Triaz are excellent, but thought it may come in useful every now and then so thanks a lot for the tip