INSANE!! FL Academic Version Price Increase

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Jokes are funny .....I don't see this as a funny matter

Then don't participate in threads that joke about it.

Uhmmmmm...freedom of speach maybe?

C'mon! Besides, where's all the fun for you guys if someone like myself doesn't participate in these threads.

It takes people like Hink and me to bring your spoiled candy-asses back to reality, even if I don't do it as eloquently as he

[kritikon]

I missed all the middle pages, so I probably missed all the good stuff. I never understood why academic versions were cheaper anyway...although I suppose companies maybe think they get exposure to students, and maybe more sales later on?

But students don't have any money anyway, and they shouldn't be allowed nice things like good s/w hosts...they should be working in MacDonald's and studying hard. Failing that, they should be seen and not heard - preferably not seen too...

And as for lecturers and teachers - well, they're loaded anyway, so I'm sure they can afford a proper price like the rest of us poorer cousins in the public sector.

[The Chase]

I missed all the middle pages, so I probably missed all the good stuff. I never understood why academic versions were cheaper anyway...although I suppose companies maybe think they get exposure to students, and maybe more sales later on?

Bingo. It makes the companies look good, too.

[Ildon]

Jokes are funny .....I don't see this as a funny matter

Then don't participate in threads that joke about it.

Uhmmmmm...freedom of speach maybe?

Coming from the guy who said "don't say that!"

You and Hink are nothing alike. Hink's a very nice man who only wants to help. Right now you just look arrogant.

[1-2-Many]

Jokes are funny .....I don't see this as a funny matter

Then don't participate in threads that joke about it.

Uhmmmmm...freedom of speach maybe?

Coming from the guy who said "don't say that!"

You and Hink are nothing alike. Hink's a very nice man who only wants to help. Right now you just look arrogant.

knew that'd get a response from you.

Really Ildon, I've no beef with you and I don't mean to appear arrogant, just pissed at all the copy protection going on that only hurts legit users, and I'm blaming it on the rampant use of warez (maybe erroneously). I know devs have to do whatever they can to cope, but it seems a lose-lose situation when harsh copy protection gets involved.

If more people would only stop and consider what they're promoting when they discuss or consider using a warez version, maybe things would be different. Though at this point I don't think there's much hope reversing things.

If only more people would actually buy when they try.

--- The Idealistic Farty Old WHite Guy

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You and Hink are nothing alike.

Which is good news to both of us I'm sure

[Ildon]

I love this place.

[John Vulich]

Is it really INSANE!! that they raised the price on their software? What I think is really insane is that they made their intial offer to give free updates for life. How could they ever hope to make any money, in the long term, once they have reached a certain level of market saturation? I know they have all these convoluted schemes with different versions and add-ons to generate income but, IMO, they will eventually have to dump this stupid free updates for life policy if they hope to survive.

[The Chase]

Is it really INSANE!! that they raised the price on their software? What I think is really insane is that they made their intial offer to give free updates for life. How could they ever hope to make any money, in the long term, once they have reached a certain level of market saturation? I know they have all these convoluted schemes with different versions and add-ons to generate income but, IMO, they will eventually have to dump this stupid free updates for life policy if they hope to survive.

They're already suffering, hence the introduction to additional synths and the xxl package.

[VitaminD]

If we compare the actual prices IL retails on their online store with the prices on that academic site.. you'll see the XXL price wasnt inline with the differences between (retail vs. academic) regular blend and producer edition..

so I just see this as them putting the price more inline with their own pricing scheme..

[Hink]

Is it really INSANE!! that they raised the price on their software? What I think is really insane is that they made their intial offer to give free updates for life. How could they ever hope to make any money, in the long term, once they have reached a certain level of market saturation? I know they have all these convoluted schemes with different versions and add-ons to generate income but, IMO, they will eventually have to dump this stupid free updates for life policy if they hope to survive.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=

[The Chase]

Rofl!

[Wormhelmet]

I'll agree that the use of copy protection software was brought about by warez use, but at this point in time, it should be quite obvious to companies that their copy protection is no hindrance and just shines out like a beacon to cracking groups to boast their skills. Pace, Synchrosoft, challenge response, etc, has all been broken. I think it's time for them to just start listening to the paying customers and offer up software that could be many times more affordable and appealing to customers by losing the protection schemes. Paying customers are getting beat up by piracy, but companies could change that and increase their sales by losing the failing protection schemes. I really believe that three times the people will buy a product at 300 bucks with a serial key than a 700 dollar product with Pace or a dongle. The software industry relies heavily on the honesty of its user base. That is already established. This isn't like hardware. There is an overhead of paying the developer, then marketing and advertising, support, etc. i don't think it comes to anything near the cost of producing and marketing hardware. I can see the need for the high price tag on hardware. The price tag on software should be marketed to the type of consumer that uses it. FL Studio should never have a $700.00 price tag. It will not be used in a major studio as the only recording program. They set themselves up like that from the beginning with the market they advertised for. It is geared for the average home user and should be priced as such. Nuendo hits the commercial studio market. Fine. It is priced towards that. To hinder the home user and especially the hobbyist with a high price and intrusive protection schemes is kind of an insult. Companies and devs should be happy they have enough honest users to actually pay for something. When you start making money and can afford it, then you damn well better be buying it legit. It is a tricky situation. Warez use has both caused a hindrance in protection schemes and a higher price tag with companies that hire synchrosoft or iLok to design their protection, but warez use has also given them a ton of free advertising and an opportunity to people to try it out full featured before spending a grip of money. there are demo versions, yes, but it comes down to the user being honest or not if he is actually ever going to pay for it and a limited demo is limited still. It does not give the same experience as the full featured version. There are people that will always use the free stuff rather than paying, but more people will be inclined to buy if the price is fair and reasonable. i don't know if I am really making a point about anything, but only that the argument for piracy has two sides always and arguing about it here, where it is against the rules is stupid and the joke that was in the first post, should have been taken as such so we could get on with discussing a substantial price increase from a company that has always given low price tags. I just hope image line doesn't decide to keep adding xxxxl professional versions that give a whole lot more and ever increasing price than their original product features and price of fruity loops. If they come out with new features they should just include them in fruity loops and give out the free upgrade like they promised in the beginning. just my many cents on this.

[Hink]

don't forget in two years likely these days will the "back in the old" days...

[rbet]

@WormHelmet: Killer post. My favorite in this dang thread. Thanks.