pod xt? amplitube? guitar rig? i need advice quickly :)

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idrisguitar wrote:greylion,

will running my guitar through the j-station the through di, and into my mixer, make a big different that just plugging it straight into my sound card?

i have the audiophile 2496 too, so i can plug direct, however i use a lot of miked up acoustic which i need the mixer for mic inputs, so it would eb a hassle plugging and unplugging (especially when the soun dcard is usually lose, becasuse case my pc is in wasn;t designed properly and i cant screw it in :)

and we all agree that considering i wanted the twin reverb sound, that the j-station is the best option yeah especially considering its much cheaper than all the other options.

are the effects good (delay and reverb wll be the ones i use mostly)

Question wasn't directed at me but I can answer. The J Station allows you to use the S/PDIF and the Analog 1/4" outputs at the same time so you could go S/PDIF out to the Audiophile in, then use the analog outs into your mixer, then from the mixer into the analog ins of the Audiophile 24/96. So you can have the best of both worlds and you won't have to swap cables. The only difference to running thru the Mixer rather than digital out would be added noise from the mixer/effects etc. :D

As for the J Station effects, I find them adequate and don't usually end up using any outboard effects except delay once in a while. The good thing about these hardware units is we can still use our vst/dx effects if we want. If you've got a high end reverb plugin you can use it if you think it sounds better than the onboard verb etc. However using the onboard effects doesn't use any CPU power.

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NAD wrote:Says this about Ty Tabor in Wikipedia:
He played an unusual model of Fender Stratocaster called the "Elite", an active-pickup model that was only in production in the early 1980s. The remainder of his gear was more of a mystery; he would switch the logos on his amplifiers to keep his tone a secret.
Jesus....
:lol: That's funny; they're still maintaining the air of mystery about his sound! It turns out he confessed to using, basicaly, Mesa Boogies. The Out of the Silent Planet guitar sound also has a lot to do with miking techniques too, IIRC. I now want one of those Strats though! Oh, the gear porn!! :cry:

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bduffy -- Oh, hell, yes, make some noise here when you're ready to release the album. That's some good rock 'n roll.

idris -- I agree with everything Tek said. I'd like to add that, if you think about it it, though, there's really no reason to run the J-Station through your mixer. Like Tek said, all you're doing is adding extra cabling and more places to introduce more noise.

The SPDIF connections on the soundcard and on the J-Station are separate from all the others, so you could run a cable from the soundcard out, leave it plugged in to the soundcard at all times, then plug it into the J-Station whenever you wanted to use it. You won't need to ever unplug the mixer connections.

It's a real advantage, especially when you're playing dynamically, to know for sure that you're not going to get any digital clipping with SPDIF. And this way leaves you a couple of extra channels still open on your mixer, in case you ever need them.

The only downside is that you'll need to switch back and forth in the AudioPhile's Delta Control Panel. On the hardware settings tab, you have radio buttons for 'Internal Xtal' and 'SPDIF' for the master clock. You have to set it to SPDIF when you're recording through the SPDIF connection, or your host program won't see the connection.

At that setting, it will still see your mixer inputs if you're recording more than one track at a time. However, you'll need to reset to 'Internal Xtal' after you're done with a recording session, because other programs freak out when you try to play sound through the card with it set to 'SPDIF'.

I know this sounds a little complicated, but, honestly, it's really simple, just a matter of a few clicks.

Also, I agree with Tek about the on-board effects being fine for most uses. There's a setting that allows you to bypass all of the effects and emulations and just play straight guitar signal into your soundcard. You can then add whatever effects you need, with VSTs.

However, the truth for me is that I tend to stick with a couple of J-Station settings when recording, then maybe add a touch of compression and reverb. Like I said wayyyyy upthread, I haven't found a software sim yet that I like as much as the sounds I can get from the J-Station.

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My dream would be to have a amp sim module with a great chorus. The POD choruses stink.

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bduffy wrote:My dream would be to have a amp sim module with a great chorus. The POD choruses stink.
I think the choruses on the xt are pretty good...but tbh I'm not a fan of chorus on my guitars so I really only mess with them from time to time, I rarely use them.
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Hink wrote:
bduffy wrote:My dream would be to have a amp sim module with a great chorus. The POD choruses stink.
I think the choruses on the xt are pretty good...but tbh I'm not a fan of chorus on my guitars so I really only mess with them from time to time, I rarely use them.
Yeah, I'm a chorus freak and damn picky about them, so I have a tough time finding any I like. I find the POD 2.0 ones kind of "flangey". :shrug:

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bduffy wrote:
Hink wrote:
bduffy wrote:My dream would be to have a amp sim module with a great chorus. The POD choruses stink.
I think the choruses on the xt are pretty good...but tbh I'm not a fan of chorus on my guitars so I really only mess with them from time to time, I rarely use them.
Yeah, I'm a chorus freak and damn picky about them, so I have a tough time finding any I like. I find the POD 2.0 ones kind of "flangey". :shrug:
tbh I can't remember...later I'll try them, I still have my 2.0...I also have an old boss super chorus ch1, but that I use to use to split my signal for stereo...I haven't used it in a long time...yet it's right in front of me.. :shrug:
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Super Chorus! That was a pretty good one, I just sold mine last summer, realising I hadn't touched it in over half a decade and probably was never going to. Let me know if you have any chorus revelations. :D

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okay guys moving the topic on again then

i have bought the j-station and eagerly await it,

just incase i wish to use vst effects can you tell em which are the best for the following.

delay

reverb

flanger

(anything like the EH big muff)

and booster (like the lpb-1 for example)


also any other plugin that you use at the end of your signal chain with your j-station that generally improves tone

would LOVE to hear what i should look for here.

cant wait to get it and mess aroudn with it.

thanks a lot guys.

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On reverb, the best deal out there right now is the Wizooverb W2/W5 deal at AudioMidi for $130. It seriously kicks the butt of every other verb I've ever heard.

Also -- Congrats on your new J-Station!!!

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You can also get the Wizoo deal at JRRShop, incidentally. They offer a 10% discount to forum members on a lot of purchases, but this one is already a special, so I don't know if that can be applied to it.

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For delay, you gotta try out Bionic Delay. Best-sounding VST delay ever.

I'd recommend Arts Acoustic Reverb, I wasn't crazy about Wizoo, but that desl is good. If you're looking for free, Ambience is deadly on CPU, FreeVerb maybe, some people like Glaceverb; I don't really like any free reverbs.

Flanger...now there's a grossly under-developed plug-in! I honestly don't use VST flangers and am stuck when it comes time to use them, once every year! :lol: I'll defer to my colleagues there. I love Bass Chorus for chorus, though.

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bduffy wrote:I'd recommend Arts Acoustic Reverb, I wasn't crazy about Wizoo, but that desl is good. If you're looking for free, Ambience is deadly on CPU, FreeVerb maybe, some people like Glaceverb; I don't really like any free reverbs.
Ariesverb is light on the CPU and a pretty smooth free 'verb. I just mess with the first preset ("Temple of the Ancestors") until it's a little less boomy. It's my favorite reverb vst for guitar so far.

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Oh yeah, that's a good one. A little crashy in Cubase, IIRC. :(

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I prefer SIR for a free reverb. Tons of high quality impulses around, and if your host has PDC, you're in good shape to just use that.
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