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boneless · Post by **boneless** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:59 pm

Personally, I'd be happy if it was possible to do the following things:

- assigning the sliders for each voice in the Panel Window to a specific slider on a master keyboard, in other words, to a MIDI controller (like, let's say, I have two voices on the same midi channel, I'd like to be able to control the volume of each voice separately, it's useful for a live use)

- assigning at least ADSR control for master envelope, filter and frequency for each engine (Add, Sub, Pad) to a MIDI controller, if it was possible to assign even LFO control to MIDI controllers it would be great

- setting the delay effect with bpm

Other than that, on Linux, the synth is quite stable, I don't really need much else...

audiojunkie · Post by **audiojunkie** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:08 am

I just want to chime in and say that I'd love to see this project continue as well!!!

--Sean

bambooman · Post by **bambooman** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:43 pm

audiojunkie wrote:I just want to chime in and say that I'd love to see this project continue as well!!!

--Sean

+1

folderol · Post by **folderol** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:04 pm

I'm happy to see any development that doesn't result in losing any existing features.

I just want Zyn kept alive. It is my primary source of instrumentation.

P.S.
I'm a linux user

UnderwaterSunlight · Post by **UnderwaterSunlight** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:48 pm

Hey,

Zyn can be used in a 2008 version again? In a sequencer as a VST Plugin ? On Windows XP SP2 ? THEN THIS WOULD BE SO COOOOL !!!

Let me elaborate now a bit:
I used the 2005 Version gladly. Wow, it rocked. I used to work with the 2005 version of Zyn in Cakewalk Sonar LE 4, there even the ZynAddSubFX 2005 worked (of course no automation yet etc., but at least no nasty noisebursts or crashes). Then I moved on to the excellent Ableton Live 6 as my main host. Alas, there Zyn sucked. It messed with mouse behavior and, worse, sometimes, if I loaded another new patch it gave ear-and-speaker-destroying noisebursts.

So, I had to abandon Zyn, tearfully. Because this Plugin is excellent, wonderful, it can beat many commercial synths.

To hear for yourself why I love this ZynZyn so much :
Go to
www.synshine.de

Follow to the the Last.fm site and listen to the track "Emerald Engine" ...
The choir was made with Zyn 2005 !

So, is this Zyn 2008 stable in Ableton Live 6.09 or 6.10 ? Who of you friends has tested this Zyn in Live 6 ? Please, many comments from you...
Anyway, I will test it tomorrow myself.

Also, have a read here: I made verbal outpourings about Zyn here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=195

Let's celebrate this Synth by resurrecting it from the pit of obscurity.

Who's with me on this issue anyway ?

folderol · Post by **folderol** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:08 pm

For some reason lastfm won't play nice with my browser so I couldn't hear it - shame, I'm always especially interested in choir sounds (I've developed a few myself)

I use the full version of Zyn. on Linux and it still seems to run quite happily here.

UnderwaterSunlight · Post by **UnderwaterSunlight** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:19 pm

OK, dear Folderol, fellow musician,
you can download the aforementioned song containing the Zyn choir here as an mp3 directly (hope you can at least do this under Linux):

www.synshine.de/Sonicdawn_-_Emerald_Engine.mp3

And do reply th this thread how you like that song.
You see, I'm approaching Zyn from a musician's perspective...
And I'm enthusiastic to hear from fellow Ableton users how Zyn performs/ behaves in Live 6/7...

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:25 pm

UnderwaterSunlight wrote:And I'm enthusiastic to hear from fellow Ableton users how Zyn performs/ behaves in Live 6/7...

I'm in the same boat with the mouse behavior thingy. I love Zyn and would probably use it more than most other plugs for the quality of sound alone, but even in it's current state Ableton Doesn't like it very much it seems. Great synth with huge ability too.

UnderwaterSunlight · Post by **UnderwaterSunlight** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:31 pm

Rlahalla,
are you saying the Zyn 2008 is unstable in Ableton Live ?
What is precisely happening then ?
Which version of Live are you using ?
Are you on a Mac or on PC with Win.XP or Vista ?
And how exactly did you utilize the Zyn plugin ? As a .dll in your VST folder ?
Cheers
Sonicdawn

rlahalla · Post by **rlahalla** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:45 pm

UnderwaterSunlight wrote:all that stuff you just said....

Yeah, it's not usable in live. It's still doing the same mouse movement problem it was doing before. I don't get any of the loud noise bursts, but the way it screws up the mouse is enough to stop me from using it.

Yup, inside the VST folder, I'm on a PC, tested on live 5 and 7, on WinXP.

folderol · Post by **folderol** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:10 pm

[quote="UnderwaterSunlight"]OK, dear Folderol, fellow musician,
you can download the aforementioned song containing the Zyn choir here as an mp3 directly (hope you can at least do this under Linux):

www.synshine.de/Sonicdawn_-_Emerald_Engine.mp3

And do reply th this thread how you like that song.
quote]

Thanks. This is a very enjoyable track. Quite different from the stuff I produce

I like the choir sound. I visualise it as a 'curved' sound (prolly not a lot of sense to others) whereas I tend to use flatter broader spectrum choirs.

Also, a lot of my work is done exclusively with Zyn. and so far, I've never needed to run more than two instances into jack. So, as you see, I generally think in terms of whole synths rather than plugins.

Emulashun · Post by **Emulashun** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:40 am

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zettberlin wrote:Hello,

first of all:

Thank you for working on the future of Zynadd!! You efforts are much appreciated and as everybody with some insight knows that Zynadd is a monster of code - any success on your side will make you a hero

My oppinion on the matter is this:

1.) the powers of Zyn should NOT be sacrificed for the sake of "simplicity". Sound/Music is complex so it is great, that Zynadd is complex too, so one can control the complexity...
I use the multi-timbral features everyday, to loose them would make me abandon Zynadd...

2.) The GUI is not the most beautiful in the world but it works very good for me so I do NOT think to have a new GUI-design would be worth the effort for now.

3.) The really problems in Zyn are its bugs regarding realtime-capabilities. It is a menace to stability for the whole session, if Zyn crashes with loading a patch and the like. So these problems should be adressed...

If I can be of any help testing your work on Linux, just give me a hint

At this point, I think zynaddsubfx has potential to exceed analog synths if most if not all parameters could be manipulated in REALTIME without artifacts and dropouts.

I agree with ALL THREE of those points. There is a commandline switch that allows the entire GUI to be shut off (i.e. for live performances) -- I've almost cut my latency in half just by turning it off. Also, all settings are stored in XML files, which makes it possible to port zynaddsubfx to other systems or create Frontends/GUI's according to individual needs.

None of the functionality should need to be removed. Instead, the PARTICULAR interface itself should only expose the parameters that the user needs. The parameters that aren't shown to the user should still BE THERE, awaiting arbitrary hardware (i.e. MIDI or something similar) or software (i.e. <insert-your-favorite-GUI-here> ) to modify its value by means of some API standard.

I DO agree that some code may need to be re-written for CLEAN REALTIME manipulation of parameters and was thinking about the possibility of porting the code to FPGA/GPGPU for intensive realtime processing meant for performance. Any ideas here?

There would be a bit of electronic engineering and kernel experience needed, but it could make zynaddsubfx that much more powerful. I myself am still new to kernel and driver development, although I do have experience writing firmware for microcontrollers and other hardware devices.

Assuming zynaddsubfx becomes more modular, you could use a desktop/laptop workstation with a pretty GUI/Frontend for creating instruments and tuning their dynamics. Then using the same zynaddsubfx engine(s) in embedded appliance form, you could cut out any hardware that interferes with realtime performance, while still loading the SAME instruments (XML files) that were created on the other workstation.

Eventually, you could even implement something like Nintendo DS http://dsmi.tobw.net (http://dsmi.tobw.net) or MIDIbox http://www.midibox.org (http://www.midibox.org) and http://www.ucapps.de (http://www.ucapps.de) to modify the parameters.

I'm not sure to what extent you can "embed" zynaddsubfxf yet, but the goal is to turn it into a hardware DSP, or to have a small but powerful linux system without conventional PC bottlenecks.

My main concern in pulling this off, is that zynaddsubfx's modules become standardized so they may be used interchangeably between embedded systems and high end software applications by following an API and NOT creating new forks of the project.

"zynCore" is what I decided to name this project, since it would most likely be an FPGA soft-core. There is still a LOT of stuff I need to research, but if anyone has comments or suggestions, just let me know. I'll create a website (or new thread) if I feel like there is enough interest.

Thanks.

P.S. After reading this thread, I have to say I'm extremely happy that people support this project -- BTW, zynaddsubfx's powerful features is what converted me from a guitarist to keyboard/synth player.

UnderwaterSunlight · Post by **UnderwaterSunlight** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:42 pm

Hi,
how might the erratic behavior of Zyn in Ableton Live be remedied ?
Does anyone have an idea ? Because it would certainly be great to have it working in that host...

Well, I haven't tested Zyn in Live 6 yet, to be honest, but if it is buggy in Live 5 and 7 it probably is so in 6 as well... I need to test it to be sure.

Which commercial synth comes close to Zyn in terms of sonic quality ? Any hints ?

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:21 pm

I can tell you right now, whoever made the DX rhodes patches, it sounds very nice almost like a real DX7/FM piano sound.

I believe it sounded a bit comparable to the likes of a fairlight, just cause of those lush pad tones.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:29 pm

UnderwaterSunlight wrote: Which commercial synth comes close to Zyn in terms of sonic quality ? Any hints ?

Well, the KarmaFX Synth uses the same PadSynth algorithm that ZynAddSubFX uses. However, I find the lack of polyphony and high CPU usage a bit problematic.

http://www.karmafx.net/#b1

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