KVR Audio

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:42 pm

See, they're here to sell and deceive. Ask yourself why there is so much open hostility. I certainly didn't start it. In fact, I was shocked that there had been so much for so long when whichever Larry, Moe or Curly sent me searching on the CSR origin wild goose chase, instead of just politely answering my polite question. But, let's get this back on topic: buy IK, praise IK, and you and your family won't be attacked by robots.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:43 pm

The topic of this thread is not the CSR sale but an obsolete A vs B discussion...

EDIT: in response to Brian@IK

Brian @ IK Multimedia · Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:44 pm

There's ins't "so much" open hostility.
Just a lot from the same small band of usual suspects who make a lot of noise and make the forum less enjoyable for everyone else.

Xenobt · Post by **Xenobt** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:04 pm

I'm not a paid troll, but I do have lots of good things to say about IK and CSR.

I worked with lots of big ticket reverbs from Lexicon, Quantec and Eventide in the 90's and 00's, and short of an expensive convolution impulse of them (which takes MUCH more CPU real estate than I can spend on reverb) these are the next best thing.

The QRS-style Hall sounds AMAZING on vocals, pads, strings, woodwinds and ballad pianos, and the Rooms have that added "something" on drums, guitars and percussion that the Lexi 224 used to give me. Sometimes it sounded a little synthetic solo'ed, but when you dropped it in the mix, it sat perfectly.

If you told me even ten years ago I could get 4 great sounding virtual verbs, this close to the real hardware deal for $49, I'd wait to hear my alarm clock next!

Also, if you buy from eSoundz.com, (I don't work for them either) you get ePointz and Jampoints from IK, and the more you buy from them, the steeper your discount gets. AWAYS check them out during IK GB or specials, they often sweeten the deal in other ways too!

Don't forget to refer someone at checkout, it can make their day!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:04 pm

See the audacity in now comparing CSR to the Lexicon PCM bundle with the thinly veiled implication that the word Lexicon was the only difference, though with enough wiggle room to deny or downgrade the comparison under scrutiny. It's also implied that CSR is as good as Warp69's later work, when it's actually uh, lighter(?) than the much earlier Scope version of the PCM91 from which it was derived. Now add in that CSR is "modeled after some of the most famous hardware reverb units of all time." There just ain't no way that any of that adds up. It's actually quite delusional. Lastly, the hostility is the fault of KVR, not IK, because it happens to other capitalists too. Except, I see it primarily toward IK.

dickiefunk · Post by **dickiefunk** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:04 pm

I'm going to buy one of these and am pretty torn as to which one to go for at the moment.

I already have Reverence and Reverberate IR reverbs with Redline Reverb and Epicverb as my main workhorse reverbs but really like the sound of both Valhalla Room and CSR. I've been trying out the demos a fair amount and I think VR sounds more natural and realistic but am wondering if CSR would sit better in a mix.
I definitely can't afford both despite them being ridiculously cheap as I need to buy Sample Modeling Big Band for some arranging work coming up.

Hmm decisions!!

Xenobt · Post by **Xenobt** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:12 pm

Hey, dickiefunk, check out the Plate and Hall programs on big band stuff, they work really well. For a more vintage sound, try using them in mono with some low and hi band pass eq!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:16 pm

I would go with Valhalla. I just find CSR doesn't cut through a mix very well, and the GUI is kind of a PITA. I think Valhalla sounds better too.

LAGinz · Post by **LAGinz** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:55 pm

Ok, first of all, I own VRoom and CSR and like both of them very much. I really don't have an ax to grind here on the "sound" issue (which is the most important!) But I do have a few thoughts about the hostility toward IK.

Sean is an extremely knowledgeable and helpful guy regarding his reverbs. Part of this is personal to him, but another part of it results from his direct knowledge about everything going on in the company since, for most practical purposes, he is the company. In the case of communications from IK, the information/promotional material always seem to be vaguer, and a little puffier--as if someone has either told the IK guys what they can or cannot say---or else the more specific information just does not get filtered down to them. It appears less "real", if you will, especially since some updates seem to have been delayed for years. This is not personal to the IK guys who post here. I have no reason to believe that they are not well meaning guys--but "trust us", "it will be great", for long overdue updates (like Sampletank)is really not a good way of handling things from a PR point of view. If things are being delayed for a good and very specific reason, they should share some of that insight and give us a date when this stuff will be released. Other companies do it---and meet their dates. IK clearly has the resources to do the same if they choose. Many feel their studio recording apps. have been orphaned by IK's focus on phone apps. Unfortunately, their vague method of communications is just exaccerbating that perception.

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:56 pm

That last line is jacked straight from a Suave shampoo commercial.

And everybody knows that tyrannical governments are not responsible for any hostility, it's always those pesky bands of armed thugs.

(I am referring to the IK post not the one previous to this.)

Xenobt · Post by **Xenobt** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:24 pm

Are you sure you're not thinking of NI?

At least IK doesn't stop support of things they made/sold last year so you can upgrade at nearly full price!

Some of the IK products may be a little long in the tooth, but the prices continue to drop into nearly anyone's price range now. In the last two years, I've built an amazing library of IK plug-ins, VIs and now reverbs that run on a creaky old G5, for under $500 usd. And most of their 64 bit updates/upgrades have been free so far, not typical in my experience!

There will always be things folks don't like, (ANY kind of copy protection, transfer/reactivation fees, etc.) but I've had nothing but good ACTUAL transactions and service from Peter and staff, and advice from Brian and Obik here.

I do work for ad agencies and corporate media production houses, and trust me, you'd be surprised at how tight the lips can be upstairs at most places until the launch date is damn close.

And some hype/spin is just part of the any companies marketing. The Prophet 5 was sold as the last synth you'll ever need!

Hate the game, not the playa!

And licensing to use the names of famous companies and gear can be VERY expensive per unit sold, and you end up paying for that too. I prefer the cheaper ship and tight lips!

But to get back on track, I use CSR, Altiverb, Avid's Air and D-verb and Wave's Trueverb. They all do different things well, and I match them to their strengths on the track. But bottom line, at this price it's hard to go wrong.

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:33 pm

antithesist wrote:See, they're here to sell and deceive. Ask yourself why there is so much open hostility. I certainly didn't start it. In fact, I was shocked that there had been so much for so long when whichever Larry, Moe or Curly sent me searching on the CSR origin wild goose chase, instead of just politely answering my polite question. But, let's get this back on topic: buy IK, praise IK, and you and your family won't be attacked by robots.

Wow. You really have issues with the existence of IK here. Where is your proof that they practice deception and lie?

You might not have 'started' it but you certainly seem to keep fanning it.

The idea that people are 'forced' into buying product is a strange one too by the way.

Look, I get that you might like a certain product but going around making insinuations that people who 'chose' to buy a certain product are being hoodwinked, or rather, having been 'forced' into buying something you have an issue with is a reach...

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 pm

Whatever squared to the last two posts.

You guys don't get it.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:17 am

I bought CSR over VRoom because I preferred the sound. I couldn't give a toss if it was modelled after the Taj Mahal. And which company doesn't use marketing hype? Anyone buying a plugin on that basis without demoing it first deserves everything they get. I don't think people on this forum are that daft.

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:23 am

I bought it too.

Lying is different than hype.

CSR vs. Valhalla Room?