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egbert · Post by **egbert** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:54 pm

Here's Alistair Dabbs echoing a lot of what has been said here for free.

More from Tomshardware on MS keeping this secret from its partners.

Apparently MS has taken the whole thing about how if you want something done right you do it yourself to heart and they are making their own Win Phone 8 as well.

george · Post by **george** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:57 pm

Interesting read.

george · Post by **george** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:53 pm

Couldn't resist

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:57 pm

George you forgot the kick-stand

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:59 pm

chj wrote:Looks promising. Just one question, where do you put the keyboard when you just want to go pure tablet mode? Does it fold up flush to the back or something?

It slides off. It's one of quite a few new ideas the surface employs.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:57 am

@ George

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:12 am

egbert wrote:@ George

+1

yoreP · Post by **yoreP** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:16 am

iPad and Apple user here myself. I think it will be interesting to see how this turns out to be since MS have taken a quite opposite direction to a current market leader. One of iPad's virtues has been that it is a zero-management device. With the Surface maybe the RT version also is while the "Pro" version surely is not. I think that will drop many users from using it. Also wondering what kind of RAM are we talking about with it ? 64 GB or 128 GB SSD is also relatively small when you start installing full programs. The screen is quite small considering that most of the apps, as far as I know, are not written to be used with touch so at least in the beginning I see Surface as competitor to Ultrabooks like MacAir.
Competition is good since it will drive the development and we as customer will get better products.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:46 pm

I agree with all you've said. It'll be interesting if the RT version doesn't gain traction, because the Pro version surely will, at least eventually, since it's Windows after all. My guess is RT will have a rocky start but eventually will take off if apps get written for it, since it'll use the same basic interface as Windows Pro.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:58 pm

SadPuppyBlues wrote:Once cheap tablets run Windows, Apple is out of the market.

Yeah right.. In your and Microsoft's wet dreams:

The day cheap tablets run windows Apple will have launched a whole new product that the rest of the world will try to compete with in vain. Friggin loosers!

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:07 pm

He doesn't look all that loose to me.

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:29 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
SadPuppyBlues wrote:Once cheap tablets run Windows, Apple is out of the market.
Yeah right.. In your and Microsoft's wet dreams:

The day cheap tablets run windows Apple will have launched a whole new product that the rest of the world will try to compete with in vain. Friggin loosers!

Regardless of one's opinion of iOS, Android, Windows, etc., I would find it highly unlikely that Windows RT will run on anything too terribly cheap, i.e. $250-$400, simply due to the Windows licensing costs itself. At $85, that takes a decent chunk of the cost.

But hey, maybe things will change.

SadPuppyBlues · Post by **SadPuppyBlues** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:13 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
SadPuppyBlues wrote:Once cheap tablets run Windows, Apple is out of the market.
Yeah right.. In your and Microsoft's wet dreams:

The day cheap tablets run windows Apple will have launched a whole new product that the rest of the world will try to compete with in vain. Friggin loosers!

Hope you don't mind, but I deleted your anime fanfic in my quote.

Anyway. What hot new "innovation," and what dirty business tactic has Apple done since they lost their evil overlord? Because I'm counting zero. It looks to me like Apple's resting on its laurels, and that the people in control now aren't nearly disgusting enough to keep the software company in the hardware business. Eventually, even the iWorshippers will snap out of it.

polaris20 wrote:Regardless of one's opinion of iOS, Android, Windows, etc., I would find it highly unlikely that Windows RT will run on anything too terribly cheap, i.e. $250-$400, simply due to the Windows licensing costs itself.

You do realize that even a 3-pack of Windows saves you some bucks, yeah? Dell isn't gonna be buying 3 copies of Windows RT. They aren't even buying licenses, they're buying the right to use a license generator for a certain amount of time. That $85 pricetag doesn't mean a whole lot.

Either way, I'm not sure if RT is going be very frightening to Apple. Their crippled OS is already firmly established, and Microsoft just can't hype their own crippled OS as well. But I'm sure that Windows 8 is going to threaten their business model.

TristezaOrange · Post by **TristezaOrange** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:31 pm

IncarnateX wrote: The day cheap tablets run windows Apple will have launched a whole new product that the rest of the world will try to compete with in vain. Friggin loosers!

Hmmmm, I don't remember you being a horrible iTroll in the past. Oh well, things change I guess.

JamminFool · Post by **JamminFool** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:07 pm

IncarnateX wrote: Friggin loosers!

Get a brane.

microsoft announces new tablet