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myrna · Post by **myrna** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:09 pm

KevWestBeats wrote:
myrna wrote:the answer: I and at least 90% of reason "resellers" sold Reason because of lack of vst supporting, even after 10 years of development (and patience: reason user since 2001). Just this. In 2012 vst support is a must in electronic music. This "no-vst" PH obsession is becoming something ridicolous. The others are happy with Reason, of course. So I am speaking for myself (... and the other 90%...). Does this mean to be a "hater"?!
excuse my ignorance but why are vsts such a huge requirement in electronic music? I make mainly hip hop and among hip hop guys Reason is quite popular so it would be cool to see another POV on the matter.

if it was not such a huge requirement in 2012, I wonder why PH introduced "RE"...

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:15 pm

edit: of course I don't mean "you need vst if you want to make music". I mean "vst (support) is a must AMONG 2012 electronic musicians".

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:19 pm

myrna wrote:edit: of course I don't mean "you need vst if you want to make music". I mean "vst (support) is a must AMONG 2012 electronic musicians".

That's is why I am asking what makes it so important for you guys. I tend to find that EDM guys are generally a head of the curve when it comes to music so I think seeing where you are coming from may actually be of benefit to me in the future.

drez · Post by **drez** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:20 pm

IMO, the sudden increased volume of people selling 6.5 is an outlier.

Does it take more CPU than the old version? Maybe. So what? Do you expect new versions of OS's to be backwards compatible on Pentium I 60mhz boxes with "turbo buttons"? At some point, the complexities of anything cause more "cycles" to run. This goes for ALL processes, whether it is software or anything. Saying "well, it used to do only 3 things and it used 50% of my CPU, now it does 7 things, but I only use those 3 things, so it should still use 50% of my CPU" is naive. The foundation to do those things has changed so that those other 4 things can be accomplished. Its overhead. It happens everywhere for every product or process.

Are people mad because they can't buy RE's and resell them (at this point)? Maybe, but they didn't have RE's before and this is a free upgrade from 6, nothing of significance has changed in the product, so don't upgrade. It costs you nothing.

If you've just bought 6.5 and are upset because you can't transfer purchases, I don't know what to tell you. I don't remember hearing from PH themselves that you would be able to transfer anything. But I do recall developers talking about it. Did they yank it? It would appear so. Does it suck? Yeah. Do I care personally? No. I like the ports of products like ReTron and hopefully imposcar, Predator will be awesome. BUT...They really are different products, IMO, because you can easily route audio in and out plus CV capabilites. These are new enhancements that simply don't exist in the AU or VST version (that I'm aware of).

Further, I hope we don't get so many ports of huge complex instruments. I want different products that do less but are modular in design because that's the beauty of Reason. Thats why I cant wait for Uhbiks. If Urs would build a broken out Filterscape VA, this would be really an incredible combo.

I'm actually moving BACK to Reason as my primary DAW beCAUSE of RE's. How many people are doing this as well? Just like the poll this thread is about...we will never know

Good thread, Theo!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:23 pm

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KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:25 pm

myrna wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
myrna wrote:the answer: I and at least 90% of reason "resellers" sold Reason because of lack of vst supporting, even after 10 years of development (and patience: reason user since 2001). Just this. In 2012 vst support is a must in electronic music. This "no-vst" PH obsession is becoming something ridicolous. The others are happy with Reason, of course. So I am speaking for myself (... and the other 90%...). Does this mean to be a "hater"?!
excuse my ignorance but why are vsts such a huge requirement in electronic music? I make mainly hip hop and among hip hop guys Reason is quite popular so it would be cool to see another POV on the matter.
if it was not such a huge requirement in 2012, I wonder why PH introduced "RE"...

I think RE had more to do with bringing in the audio/daw features into Reason. I think Record was a big ass beta test though to see if people would buy into that idea as well as the ignition key idea once they saw many would they blended the two and said ok let's get this up to snuff with a regular daw on that end but knew they couldn't do it all in house, have a fast enough turn around and the stability deal that they always go after. That would be my guess. I like how RE works in Reason too rather than having floating windows but the floating windows offer me more options of buying what I want rather than buying what is being offered to me so I use both.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:26 pm

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myrna · Post by **myrna** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:32 pm

ttoz wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
myrna wrote:edit: of course I don't mean "you need vst if you want to make music". I mean "vst (support) is a must AMONG 2012 electronic musicians".
That's is why I am asking what makes it so important for you guys. I tend to find that EDM guys are generally a head of the curve when it comes to music so I think seeing where you are coming from may actually be of benefit to me in the future.
vst support is not a must for me *at all*

i am an electronic musician. So there is at least one who doesn't care about the precious "vst"

ps logic does quite well and has not had vst support for 10 years

in Europe "vst" is a way to call plugins (AU/RTAS and all the vst derivatives), because they were (and actually are) the first ones. AU is just a vst sort of copyclone, because of the Apple (stupid) manthra "we are different, we are better" etc. I use Logic Pro, but still call those "AU"s "vst useless apple version"

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:32 pm

ttoz wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
myrna wrote:edit: of course I don't mean "you need vst if you want to make music". I mean "vst (support) is a must AMONG 2012 electronic musicians".
That's is why I am asking what makes it so important for you guys. I tend to find that EDM guys are generally a head of the curve when it comes to music so I think seeing where you are coming from may actually be of benefit to me in the future.
vst support is not a must for me *at all*

i am an electronic musician. So there is at least one who doesn't care about the precious "vst"

ps logic does quite well and has not had vst support for 10 years

I assume when most say vst they really mean plug in but then again RE is a plug in format so idk. Pro Tools does well with its own non vst formats too.

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:34 pm

myrna wrote:
ttoz wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:
myrna wrote:edit: of course I don't mean "you need vst if you want to make music". I mean "vst (support) is a must AMONG 2012 electronic musicians".
That's is why I am asking what makes it so important for you guys. I tend to find that EDM guys are generally a head of the curve when it comes to music so I think seeing where you are coming from may actually be of benefit to me in the future.
vst support is not a must for me *at all*

i am an electronic musician. So there is at least one who doesn't care about the precious "vst"

ps logic does quite well and has not had vst support for 10 years
in Europe "vst" is a way to call plugins (AU/RTAS and all the vst derivatives), because they were (and actually are) the first ones. AU is just a vst sort of copyclone, because of the Apple (stupid) manthra "we are different, we are better" etc. I use Logic Pro, but still call those "AU"s "vst useless apple version"

roflmbao

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:36 pm

how can you call "a plugin format" something made ONLY for a piece of software? As far as I know, a plugin must be something I can play wherever I want, multiplatform, multiO.S., multidaw... E.g. vst plugins, working everywhere (apart logic, for the stupid apple policy).

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:38 pm

never mind Reason, I think Geist is currently winning the 'amount on the marketplace' race.. (soon to be echoed by Alchemy perhaps?)

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:40 pm

myrna wrote:how can you call "a plugin format" something made ONLY for a piece of software? As far as I know, a plugin must be something I can play wherever I want, multiplatform, multiO.S., multidaw... E.g. vst plugins, working everywhere (apart logic, for the stupid apple policy).

because the term plug in is not just a music software thing. A plug in is an after release add on in the computer world in general. The same way I can buy plug ins for firefox that will only work for firefox.

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:40 pm

gamecat666 wrote:never mind Reason, I think Geist is currently winning the 'amount on the marketplace' race.. (soon to be echoed by Alchemy perhaps?)

sweet what is the average going price for either. I may snatch them up I hate paying full price for stuff if I don't have to lol.

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Used sales of reason are SO high, it is time for props to take notice - serious topic, LONG post

Is it alarming that reason is being sold off continuously in the used marketplace?