Things I hate about... - Cubase 7

[Amon1973]

I'm working on a Cubase 7.0.3 project on Cubase 6.0.7 right now. Works here.

7.0.3 is absolutely a worthy update and should be installed: there are a lot of fixes, some might not even be listed, as with a couple previous patches. Sticking to a previous patch when one has problems is looking for trouble, IMHO.

Those who find Cubase 7.0.3 unstable should consider asking for a remote support session... I have it installed on 4 OS (two Win 7, one Win 8 and one OS X 10.8.3) and have no strability issues.

Ah, writing long e-mails never helped having fast replies from any support service... write a couple short ones which are focussed on one or two issues. It pays back.

[Compyfox]

I swear I go on such a f*cking rampage today, it's not even funny.


I could finally finish my one thing I had to do in Cubase 7. Whoo whoo. Now I want to do batch processing in WL7... and I'm pissed to no end.


Scenario 1:
Btch processing runs to 100%, then hangs the complete host.

Scenario 2:
Batch processing finishes properly, but throws me a white noise 1s long burst in each file at 10s on the counter.


Doing individual renders:
Scenario 1:
Host hangs

Scenario 2:
Renders just fine


Very same plugins, very same steps.

WHAT THE F*CK?!


I don't know what Steinberg smoked, but I feel like smashing my rig and going back to Wavelab 3(!!!) and Cubase SX3. Seriously, I paid several hundred quids for that sh*t, and I can't even work!

If this happens while a client is in the studio, and the client is on a timer - this is definitely professional work behavior of a professional editing tool like both Wavelab and Cubase claim to be. And this is definitely something, I want to "show" to my client.

"Oh hay! I... uhm... can't do your just-in-time batch processing, since Wavelab hangs sporadically and looses all settings. Uhm... can I recommend you a different studio?!"


FACE - PLANT!



EDIT:
Found the culprit: T-Racks.

Apparently, in "normal" usage of Wavelab, it renders like it should and T-Racks registers as... well, registed.

In BATCH PROCESSING however, the plugins are NOT registered as properly licensed and cause the noise bursts. Actually, if I saw that right, not even Barricade is working correctly.


The random hangs are still a Wavelab issue though.


There go two new support mails:
1 to Steinberg, and 1 to non-responding IKM.

Definitely makes my day...

[FrankT]

Which 4 RCs are listed?
4 is very meager in deed...!

Here they are (checked again with the recent Cubase 7.0.3 version) :

- Yamahe NUAGE
- System 5-MC (Euphonix)
- Artist Series (Avid)
- WK-Audio ID

And sorry for the naming mistake : insted of the 'Generic Remote Editor' it's actually called the 'Remote Control Editor', but the issues are the same : basically, you can't use it if you don't have one of these, which are clearly out of my financial ability... It also means that, even if you have defined, say, two generic remote devices as I did, you are not able to use RCE for them.

So yes, for me, as well as for the great majority of Cubase users, this one is useless...

Thanks, far from being an exhaustive list of supported RCs!

[Compyfox]

Ooooh-kaaaay~?!

I just installed .0.3, and I'm surprised... to say the least.


I fired up the project I was working on yesterday, and while my blaring at Steinberg was adjusted with .0.2, it somewhat poofs into thin air.

Granted, the Mix Console Fullscreen bug is still existing. And it's still highly annoying that there is some sort of a resize bug (which a lot of users confirmed already, especially with the new "set channel ammount" feature)...


BUT...

Apparently, the mix console got a slight overhaul. Well, slight is a bit drastically said. There are some very OBVIOUS overhauls, and some not so obvious.

For example, there are now guidelines. Certical and horizontal guidelines. Small ones, but they are there and this drastically improves the readability. So this is a plus point. Even though this thing glitches sometimes while hovering the mouse or operating the VST plugin search folder. The console itself looks like as if there is a new, slightly more sharper, ligher grey skin - but the fader background is still... moot. Whether or not that is good lies within the eye of the beholder.

On the negative side, the channel "descriptions" on the console (see bottom of channel strip) are now cut-off and there was also the info added in whether or not it is stereo. But, they toned back the colors of the fader caps a bit. So I count that as a good thing.

Another plus is ther they added certain features to the Mix Console's Toolbar. For example, the CPU usage can now be shown on the mix console. Good to know, another FR down.

Then, they dropped the ugly green bars for green lines, you can somewhat customize them (very limited still), but it's definitely less JazzMutant Lemour looking.

Then there is a new feature added to the "zooming" of the Mix Console, where you can set, how many channels are shown. Up to a size of 24. This(!) pretty much offers the horizontal screen lock, but I still miss a vertical one for the fader sizes. And it has a negative sideeffect. Change the mix console screen size, or the control room, or whatever, and that number changes automatically. Wihtout warning.

The things with holding down ALT to power off inserts is still existing. And I'm curious if Steinberg might implement a FR of mine where you can also turn off inserts "horizontally" rather than vertically only (ProTools style).



Then there is one thing that what not(!) listed in the upgrade list, but is actually something that drastically improves my workflow:

The BCF correctly recognizes the channel ammount! And if it's working for the BCF, other remote devices should so too.

That means: If I hide zones and certain kinds of channels, the BCF now looks at the mix console again, and not the arrangement window. On top of that, they also connected the mix console with the arranger. If you change the folders (folded out, folded in) on the "View Area" in the Mix Console, the Arrangement Window adapts. Good to know.




I couldn't dive more in-depth so far, but certain things (small, but with heavy weight) are fixed for me - and thank the Spagetti Monster for that.

But there are still enough show-stoppers on the long run (visually especially), some FR's that could still find it's way into of both Cubase and the MixConsole (too many to list).

Now if Steinberg would have documented what I found "myself" with this update, then hate mails and posts on webboards would drastically reduce in ammount. On either platform.

[Skorpius]

But there are so much things that makes Cubase valuable. Is there another host which could give me, in one package :

- The input tracks : perfect for applying, say, a guitar effect plug-in at it is recorded,
- The external instruments integration as VSTis,
- The score editor : it's not Sibelius but easily matches my need, mainly for training purpose,
- The input transformer : thanks to this one, among others, I am allowed to use my old Yamaha pedals with a full 0-127 MIDI CC values range,
- Already evoked, but still : the musical/linear timebase switch,
- The MIDI implementation,
- The complete sample editor,
- And finally, the ease of use : I've seen many complaints about it and I don't get it. For me, it is the more efficient UI available and this is why I am raging against C7 regressions.

Guess I forgot others...

YES, there is: Try Samplitude ProX, and you won't even have to buy a separate (expensive) audio editor like Wabelab. It's all included in Samplitude.

Of course, Samp ProX has a couple of drawbacks too - just like any DAW. But compared to all those problems you guys are describing here, it seems like one of the most stable, reliable and easy-to-use DAWs around.

The object editing features of Samp ProX are something I bet Cubase won't have for the next 10 years or so. As far as I know, not even ProTools or Logic have them.

I have Cubase 5, but am using it only for Midi editing. I decided not to upgrade to newer Cuase versions any more, since I don't want to have to pay for unnecessary stuff (like DJ synths) which I never need.

When it comes to recording or editing audio, Samp ProX is lightyears ahead of Cubase, and even Studio One.

In case you're not convinced yet, simply load an audio track into Cubase and then into Samp ProX and listen to it. Audio played in Samp ProX sounds a lot clearer.

So - no more Cubase updates for me. Especially if I consider that Atari versions of Cubase in the stone age of computing had extremely useful features that "modern" versions no longer have. That's what Steinberg call "progress".

[AstralExistence]

just contacted support about the peak overload issue.

[SJ_Digriz]

But there are so much things that makes Cubase valuable. Is there another host which could give me, in one package :

- The input tracks : perfect for applying, say, a guitar effect plug-in at it is recorded,
- The external instruments integration as VSTis,
- The score editor : it's not Sibelius but easily matches my need, mainly for training purpose,
- The input transformer : thanks to this one, among others, I am allowed to use my old Yamaha pedals with a full 0-127 MIDI CC values range,
- Already evoked, but still : the musical/linear timebase switch,
- The MIDI implementation,
- The complete sample editor,
- And finally, the ease of use : I've seen many complaints about it and I don't get it. For me, it is the more efficient UI available and this is why I am raging against C7 regressions.

Guess I forgot others...

YES, there is: Try Samplitude ProX, and you won't even have to buy a separate (expensive) audio editor like Wabelab. It's all included in Samplitude.

That isn't my quote .. you have the quotes edited wrong.

But, I think you misread the bullets. Samplitude does not provide most of the functionality in that list the cubic made. It is a good host, but read the list.

[cubic13]

That isn't my quote .. you have the quotes edited wrong.

But, I think you misread the bullets. Samplitude does not provide most of the functionality in that list the cubic made. It is a good host, but read the list.

Thanks, SJ, for putting things at their right place again...

My point was that Cubase is still, for all the reasons I listed, and others (UI, Generic remote, variaudio, in-place editor, and others...) the host that I'll continue to use for as long as I can. Actually, I think that the only thing that would make me switch to something else would be rhe drop of the VST 2.4 support.

Maybe I'm too much biased for all the years of using Cubase and the habits coming from it, but still... it's truely the only host with which I am feeling really at ease when I start a session. I remmember that someone here (I think it was ttoz...) stated in his signature : 'Everytime I launch Logic, I get wet'. Could say the same thing for Cubase, actually...

This doesn't prevent me from pesting against the C7 regressions, as I feel that Steiny is moving in a wrong direction. So, let's see what future will bring...

Cheers !

[wesleyt]

Maybe I'm too much biased for all the years of using Cubase and the habits coming from it, but still... it's truely the only host with which I am feeling really at ease when I start a session. I remmember that someone here (I think it was ttoz...) stated in his signature : 'Everytime I launch Logic, I get wet'. Could say the same thing for Cubase, actually...

This doesn't prevent me from pesting against the C7 regressions, as I feel that Steiny is moving in a wrong direction. So, let's see what future will bring...

Cheers !

That was Theo. I can sympathize; I'm becoming quite fond of Logic myself. My install of Ableton is certainly jealous and must be feeling neglected.

Edit: Sorry SJ; fixed. I even previewed it, and still missed my error. I apologize.

[SJ_Digriz]

People need to learn to use the quote feature.... again ... not my quote.

[allarms]

Switch to reaper! I did and couldn't be happier!

[SJ_Digriz]

Switch to reaper! I did and couldn't be happier!

I tried .. reaper sucks.

[murnau]

I remmember that someone here (I think it was ttoz...) stated in his signature : 'Everytime I launch Logic, I get wet'. Could say the same thing for Cubase, actually...

getting wet? ahh. now i understand! you are pissed off?!

[allarms]

Switch to reaper! I did and couldn't be happier!

I tried .. reaper sucks.

WOW I'd love to hear why so.
Everyday time I use it I feel lucky and remember all how shitty was doing the same on cubendo.

Anyway, some people like grindcore and some hip-hop i guess.

[SJ_Digriz]

Switch to reaper! I did and couldn't be happier!

I tried .. reaper sucks.

WOW I'd love to hear why so.
Everyday time I use it I feel lucky and remember all how shitty was doing the same on cubendo.

Anyway, some people like grindcore and some hip-hop i guess.

The reasons have been discussed to death and this is a things I hate about Cubase thread, not a stumping for Reaper thread.