Cubase 7.5 official announcement!

[jancivil]

I didn't find the announcement, the OP here excessive marketing at all. from what I see, it would however look like an inadequate set of things to justify a paid update.
then Theo pointed out a big feature, which, if I was a C7 user and I worked with making timings from loops much, I guess would drive me to buy the upgrade. IE: the OP wasn't very strong marketing.
We expect no marketing? Sure we do.

I think being this attached to, eg., C7 to the extent one will go through a lot of daily grief isn't for me. I want to reduce stress in my life. I'm still on C5.5.3 and OSX.6.8 and the way I'm thinking today it looks like I'll never move to 'Mavericks'; and if I were to reup a computer it won't be with Apple, behind their push there. I expect it to break everything, basically.
I sure don't need 'chord track' and I don't know what's wrong with the Cubase mixer how it's always been. I could move to C6.5 for one actual reason but I would buy two or three other things first; 'Note Expressions' is very cool but I can totally live without it.

The keep-up-with-the-Joneses aspect is strong on such a forum, I get that but there is a point it seems a bit neurotic to me. My setup works pretty smoothly and the lame bugs I face I know and the workaround is slight.

[memyselfandus]

man... it's been a long time since I have looked at Cubase.. looks awesome..

[murnau]

man... it's been a long time since I have looked at Cubase.. looks awesome..

not really.

[fandango]

well, kinda really, but with a side order of mild disappointment.

[SJ_Digriz]

man... it's been a long time since I have looked at Cubase.. looks awesome..

not really.

damn it, I can't keep up with who is in charge of what is good and bad How am supposed to think for myself if I don't know who I'm supposed to listen to.

[Uncle E]

I didn't find the announcement, the OP here excessive marketing at all.

Agreed. Most KVR were thrilled when Guillaume showed up and it's certainly an acknowledgment of this forum that Steinberg would install a dedicated support person here.

from what I see, it would however look like an inadequate set of things to justify a paid update.

It depends how good REVelation and Magneto 2 are. If Magneto 2 is really just a repackaged Vintage Open Deck, the small upgrade fee is a bargain. Personally, the Instrument Track 2.0 having multiple outputs is a big enough feature for me to upgrade.

[LawrenceF]

The keep-up-with-the-Joneses aspect is strong on such a forum, I get that but there is a point it seems a bit neurotic to me. My setup works pretty smoothly and the lame bugs I face I know and the workaround is slight.

Yes, but Steinberg's kinda piecemeal development approach probably makes that decision harder for some because they appear to be periodically adding useful and subjectively basic stuff that probably should have been there all along, like the arrange track list. When they break it up like that it probably makes the upgrade decision (for some maybe not wanting to upgrade) a little more difficult.

If that strategy is intentional, maybe it's a pretty smart thing, dunno. Adding cool new stuff while also adding something it probably should have had years ago, working both ends of the spectrum.

I mean, if you work with large projects that by itself can be a big workflow improvement for some. I would think some 7.0 users would buy into 7.5 just for that one thing... the tracklist... especially at $50.

[Uncle E]

Yes, but Steinberg's kinda piecemeal development approach probably makes that decision harder for some because they appear to be periodically adding useful and subjectively basic stuff that probably should have been there all along, like the arrange track list. When they break it up like that it probably makes the upgrade decision (for some maybe not wanting to upgrade) a little more difficult.

Agreed. There have been plenty of features that looked great on paper but that I lost sight of once I actually started working with the new version. If Steinberg consolidated their upgrades into sensible packets, it'd be easier to keep track of the changes.

From marketing and development points of view, though, their current system probably works the best.

[filtafreq]

I would like to know what 3 party synths look like in the instrument rack because the demo only shows the halion family with QC's , no third party synths were shown

[VitaminD]

I didn't find the announcement, the OP here excessive marketing at all.

Agreed. Most KVR were thrilled when Guillaume showed up and it's certainly an acknowledgment of this forum that Steinberg would install a dedicated support person here.

I agree!! Even through some of the inflammatory and down right nasty remarks 'shared' in the past, Guillaume is still here sharing info and answering questions as best as he can for the rest of us not acting so hostile! Thanks, Guillaume.

[Compyfox]

Just try not entering in a Steinberg thread OK - that is all I ask. It isn't exactly hard

That isnt't the first time such a "request" happened actually. Hm... wait... wasn't that with a certain company with a capital C as well? Where people still(!) think up until this day I made sh*t up and are contantly on a vengeance trip. Even though I reacted similar back then, also posted results, commented on them, tried to help other users that were just as burned.

A lot of people definitely need a grip on reality.

Consider this: based on your experiences of Cubase and on my experience, i would start calling you a liar on every thread i see you posting. Would you think that to be a "convenient source" of info on you?

Honest question:
Do you consider it "okay" to sell a tool that is advertised as powerful, ready to use and fair priced - if in reality it is not and prices even go up intentionally? And not only to just one mere user, but actually several? Even if Steinberg says "it's just 10-20 out of thousands"?

Such things are still a matter of concern.
So who is lying to whom?


Again - I am not the only Steinberg user that has negative experience with C7 (or former Cubase versions). I'm just one of the minority that stands up and says "Enough of this!".

Did you ever follow what happened at the Steinberg boards (the mass kick-bans around the release of Cubase 7 and Nuendo 6)? Or the bashing at GearSlutz? Oh wait, we're at KVR, here only three people raised their voice (actually, later it was something like 5-6). Yet only one of them is the idiot that should better shut the hell up and be banned from the boards (since he has an "issue"), and the other one should just shut up.

This is excellent - this is how it should be!

Not...!

Anyway it's a valid point when you look it from that perspective but we all know he is not lying.

From the perspective of a lot of people posting in here, apparently I must be lying. Since these people "don't have that problem".

I think it is called... "Point of view"?

It's obvious he want to be seen and i do understand his suffering however it is becoming quite lame and stupid. I am actually surprised that Steinberg employee didn't warned admin of this board on his behavior asking for some help or at least warning of some kind.

I adressed this prior, while and after my temp ban. Which was not okay IMO, but I sucked it up.

The Steinberg representative was allowed to insist that I am using warez, called me names and even abused his position to make personal data from my Steinberg account public. Violation of several KVR rules.

Result - nothing happened.

I wrote a personal insult, because I was finally sick of it, I got a temp ban and no further response. No other parties involved (yes, even those that still critisize me in here(!)) were warned or similar.


This time around "I" contacted one of the mods to step in. And look what this thread turned into. From the two to three posts of critism and contributing to the discussion, it turned into a "let's analyze the behavior of a certain user" debate.

This is what is called "first class derailing".

Compy if you are on your mission to be seen and all that Robin Hood stuff, you can easily create your own thread and bump it here and there with new findings and everyone will see it. I am sure you'll have quite a few friends there as well.

I have - and the result is the same as in here. Which is why I am currently also(!) in touch with higher ranks at Steinberg to finally get this sorted. However with no really satisfying result so far.

You really don't have to derail every Cubase thread. Even if you are not trying to do it, by now it heavily looks like that - believe me..And believe me when i say that i don't want to mute you because i like to read your tech stuff however i am forced to do it in order to do basic thread reading

Don't tell that to me alone then.






To (hopefully) get back to what's really important:

I agree!! Even through some of the inflammatory and down right nasty remarks 'shared', Guillaume is still here sharing info and answering questions as best as he can for the rest of us not acting so hostile! Thanks, Guillaume.

Despite all my negativity, I asked non hostile questions - valid even.


Questions were about the Backwards Compatibility from HSSE2 to HSSE1, the Instrument Rack (if it's still usable as such, or if the Instrument Track is the once announced definite future), location of the missing Version History with a bugfix report. Not to mention when a Demo will be available.


Four very valid questions. No response. Only to other people.

I went ahead and asked the support management instead. Hopefully I'll get my answers there. And if that is the case, I'll forward them.

Hopefully, people who already own 7.06 or whatever won't have to download Halion and gigabytes of content yet again just to demo the new app functions in 7.5. That would be a bit of a bummer.

So far we don't even know if there even will be a demo, or when it will hit. But else, it's highly doubtful just to get a small download.

Though if it will be the regular update and you don't have the license, it will either

a) simply not load as it is the case if you install Cubase but forget to insert the Elicenser
b) run in demo mode

Point a) is more likely.


Else:
Full DVD download and requesting a demo license for the Elicenser. Here I actually prefer the AI/LE/Elements concept - no license activated yet, start in demo mode.

But, the updates were for ARTIST and FULL only. Even though AI/LE/Elements is highly reliant on both the Instrument Track and HSSE. You don't even have an Instrument Rack with AI/LE - but all Cubase versions do have HSSE.


Again, just my assumption. Unless we have an official answer about this, we can only guess.

[lotus2035]

Ahh, so pretty!

[murnau]

Ahh, so pretty!

it was..

[Uncle E]

Honest question:
Do you consider it "okay" to sell a tool that is advertised as powerful, ready to use and fair priced - if in reality it is not and prices even go up intentionally?

If that's really happening, it's not OK. I would argue that Cubase 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were each finished products in their own rights.

A good thing about this 7.5 upgrade is that it seems to consist solely of new features and isn't a bug fix release. I think/hope Steinberg learned not to do that after they made that mistake with 6.5.

[Compyfox]

This is where I differentiate actually, Eric.


We all know by now that 6.5 was basically there to introduce PADshop and Retrologue - wheather you wanted it or not. The other "small" enhancements or feature implementations (Sequel Plugins, Rewire x64, FLAC support, was it a Bandcamp joint venture?, slight enhancements) weren't that great and could have been implemented in 6.0 as well. But they weren't - which also caused a lot of negative critism. Because they weren't revolutionary at all.


7.5 seems to be more balanced, but there are still some negative vibes about it. For example the Quick Controls and saving them - could have been implemented with C5 already. Instrument Track being unlocked (finally), ditto - especially after the comment to "eventually drop the Instrument Rack" back in the days. Another user in here wrote that there was a FR existing for over 12 years now which finally found it's way into C7.5. Madness!

All this is highly debateable whether or not it's worth the 50 EUR.

Not debateable are however yet again bundled VST/VSTi updates which could have waited until C8. That being: Loopmash 2, HSSE2, Grove Agent 4, VST Connect LE2, a free Electronic sample set. But these are mainly advertised as "must haves" and drown out the other new features like "updated scoring" (I still think a new project is in the works, see the Steinberg Blog by the former Sibelius CEO). Who actually uses the stock sounds if you have a decent set of VSTi already?

Nobody even really notices that the VST SDK 3.6 is out by now as well. Does that mean VST SDK4 is on front doors and due with C8? What will happen with VST2 plugins then? Will Steinberg then drop 32bit (I got hints at that through mails and phone calls), since x64 is the future anyway? Think of Apple Logic Pro X.



But all that asside, the update fee is still 50 EUR.

That in itself could be a point for critism (I made my point over at Steinberg in the FR section regarding a new price politics scheme - a very longwinded thread even!).

Another point of critism is the recent global pricerange for all Cubase products. By another 50 EUR to be precise. That's like... 3 months back by now?

So instead of paying 150 EUR from minor-v.5 to major-v.0, you now pay 200 EUR, and 250 EUR from v.0 to v.0. Not counting the 50 EUR mid-term fee (if you go for v.5), which basicaly is a paid beta (like in Paid Beta with video games) for the next Cubase version. And that is IMO not okay.

Why? Because you pay 50 EUR now(!) and are an early adopter no doubt. But instead of making a real huge update with the next major version, Steinberg asks for payment every year and work (to my impression) really half hearted.

So whatever you do - going from v.0 to v.0, or from v.5 to v.0 - you don't save a dime. You pay the same ammount.

And they did constantly raise prices since Cubsase 4. I still remember the days where I paid 100-130 EUR from Cubase to Cubase. Then suddenly it was 150, then 199 EUR. Now we're at 250EUR. Yet this particular Cubase, even if it's stable to some, is overall a broken piece of software that could have needed another year at least in terms of R&D - or at least a v.1, or even v.2 - unpaid.


The sad thing on it, I even got this (R&D mistake) indirectly confirmed through the course of my support inquiries.