Reason 8 - Official

[mellotronaut]

And about the new RE's, I have been fascinated with how much of what is released can be done already with some creative patching in Reason 4. At the same time, the fascination users seems to have of some of the RE's makes me wonder if the old programming spirit has somehow got a bit lost in favor of 'out of the box' solutions. I still hope for a more 'modular' version of Reason in the future, where it will be possible to install Reason without Record. Until then I will save my money.

I agree with this. It used to be that each new device in the rack added a new module or workflow enhancement. The latest Re offerings from PHead and others have very few interesting inputs/outputs on the back. Remember when people would trade combinators for mid/side compression, gated delays, filter banks? Nowadays all I see on the PUF is "you need blah Re". Some of the most creative patchers (selig, jiggery-pokery, Peff) have started selling their own Res and seem to post far fewer of those interesting modular playgrounds.

I saw one user over there lament that he was losing his wah wah pedal with the Line6 devices being removed. I thought to sweep a low pass filter from any number of devices with an envelope follower from Scream4 or Pulveriser. Or use an LFO. Peff taught us how to do that in Power Tools for Reason 3 in 2005.

i love this book

(Oh how I miss Peff doing creating patching instead of Res).

I'm not saying the closed down rack was better. I'm saying I don't see Res that get me excited. The most interesting one I've seen is CV Mutant, giving users an almost-but-not-quite MSEG source. I wish it had a looping sustain section and was graphical (Not the dev's fault, it's the RE SDK 1.0 fault).

I think PHead realized their most lucrative userbase are the kind that would rather pay a quick $15-$50 for something than learn how to make their own with what they have already. Makes sense really.

indeed.

i'd like to have Reason 4 with midi out

[tonkatodd]

People will whinge about paying for upgrades every time, They will also whinge even when they don't have to pay "still doesn't have this feature" or "Giving it away because their desperate" etc. They whinge with Steinberg charging for updates or Avid charging for updates or Native Instruments turning things into DJ friendly apps or Apple forcing people to buy the product again without an upgrade price and there is also someone who always claims to be Gordon Gecko predicting doom for a company from simplified charts. Just human nature I guess.

[Compyfox]

So when does it start to load VST plugins?

I mean, so many plugins these days with "back-panels" - might be ideal for Reaper's modular connectivity system.

[stroker_ace]

the ability to the record audio in 2009

the ability to use (proprietary and non-transferable) third-party plug-ins in 2012

MIDI out in 2013 (which isn't something you do if rack extensions had taken off, is it?)

and now: an updated browser

Obviously the path is laid: Next they will [tan-tra-ta]enable VST plugs[/tan-tra-ta]

That would be very innovative now wouldn't it

I actually think that will happen some time down the road.

And given what a flop this announcement has been, that road may have gotten a lot shorter.

I'm curious to see if they add something to sweeten the Reason 8 pot. I think they've got to add something, and something pretty substantial, to recover from this.

[tonkatodd]

So when does it start to load VST plugins?

I mean, so many plugins these days with "back-panels" - might be ideal for Reaper's modular connectivity system.

I don't think Propellerheads really want to adopt another companies protocol. Apple didn't and created AU and Pro Tools uses AAX and considering the slow adoption rate of VST3 I see Propellerheads advancing their own RE before adopting VST in any form. There is a bit of a bigger picture kind of thing with the new Reason 8 interface and with the recent advancements with RE the new interface is gearing up for faster library and preset switching. We won't see anything like full Kontakt or UVI editibility but certainly Kontakt player type libraries with macro/scripting control.

[rod_zero]

Yes, stop using Logic price as point of reference. It's subsidized by Apple (one of tyhe companies tih more cash in the world) to sell computers.

[DHR53]

Lot of haters at KVR... I remember when I used to get this kind of hate when I mentioned Logic or Mac. I'm liking Studio One these days so I'm watching from the sidelines...

[eXode]

And why don't you post the entire picture? If you look at their actual assets reported in 2013-12 they are nowhere near "thin financial ice" no matter how YOU slice it, so don't spread disinformation please.

Since you insist, let's include assets and, while we're at it, CEO and board compensation:


Source: http://www.solidinfo.se/foretag/propell ... 43/ekonomi

Previously we looked at profit (blue). The 2013 profit doesn't make up for the losses in 2012 and 2011.

Adding total assets (red), we see the general trend is downwards. The company's assets were worth the most in 2010. Oops.

Strangely CEO and board compensation (yellow) has been rising steadily each year despite the rough times. I guess it would be embarrassing driving an old Ferrari.

Wow, thanks for letting everyone know that you can't read simple curves. They increased their assets by 70% from 2012 to 2013 and you call that a downward trend? Do you live in opposite land, because in my book that is a turning trend, not a continuing downward one. And my original point still stands, your post about them being on "thin financial ice" is completely inaccurate.

[chk071]

They increased their assets by 70% from 2012 to 2013

Which proves absolutely nothing either.

[eXode]

They increased their assets by 70% from 2012 to 2013

Which proves absolutely nothing either.

Of course it doesn't, and in your magical fairy land people eat rainbows and poop butterflies too!

[chk071]

What counts is the statistic for profit and other things, not for assets. An example: Apple will probably have 100 times more assets than Samsung. Still, Samsung can create much more profit than Apple, and do better in a comparison. Of course also dependent on many other factors, which aren't even shown in that graphic. Actually, talking about assets, you can see that they were higher in 2010 and 2011, while decreasing in 2012, where there was a lack of profits, and getting higher again in 2013, where there were more profit, but not reaching the amount of 2010 and 2011. But actually, that doesn't really show much either, as it highly depends on the way you do business, as the Samsung/Apple example should show.

[eXode]

What counts is the statistic for profit and other things, not for assets. An example: Apple will probably have 100 times more assets than Samsung. Still, Samsung can create much more profit than Apple, and do better in a comparison. Of course also dependent on many other factors, which aren't even shown in that graphic. Actually, talking about assets, you can see that they were higher in 2010 and 2011, while decreasing in 2012, where there was a lack of profits, and getting higher again in 2013, where there were more profit, but not reaching the amount of 2010 and 2011. But actually, that doesn't really show much either, as it highly depends on the way you do business, as the Samsung/Apple example should show.

Yes, but we've already discussed the profits. They reported a 10 million (SEK) net profit by the end 2013, comparable to their 14 million (SEK) loss reported the year before that (a loss that I personally believe was in part because they chose to shutdown their hardware department, but that is purely speculation on my behalf).

But that was not my point anyway, my point was that Frantz doesn't know what he's talking about when he claims that propellerheads are on "thin financial ice".

[eXode]

*double post*

[Orbit-50]

OMG!!! Can this thread go back on topic. I doubt very many of us here are actual Propellerhead shareholders so please...

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[chk071]

But that was not my point anyway, my point was that Frantz doesn't know what he's talking about when he claims that propellerheads are on "thin financial ice".

Fair enough. Who knows really. Actually the claimed "milking the clients", or in other words charging enough money for updates, or the product itself, is usually a sign of good profits. You wouldn't charge good money for something that noone buys... and i guess the RE thing created some revenues. But as this thread shows, it could quickly turn around, when you release some unspectacular updates (and people like spectacle these days) or bad business decisions. At least i don't think Propellerhead can rest on the success (who can ).

OMG!!! Can this thread go back on topic. I doubt very many of us here are actual Propellerhead shareholders so please...

.-.

Ok...