One Synth Challenge #83: MPowerSynth by MeldaProduction (Z.Prime Wins!)

[mehum]

Well, a comb filter is a strange beast since it's basically just a very short delay...
Useful for stereo effects but if you modulate (which is basically a no-no since pitch altering delays are explicitly verboten) you can do pretty cool stuff

And yes, there's a bunch of different comb filters in MPS but is perhaps not useful if you want to put it on a layered sound or have already used both filters.

Like z, I don't mind effects that much so I say yea.

[bjporter]

An Mpowersynth discount is on!



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[ballacr75]

Hi all, here my submission:
https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/24094 ... 8cdd3f918a
https://soundcloud.com/ballacr75/ballac ... -the-slave

Round: KVROSC 083 - MPowerSynth
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Date: 2016/01/07
Artist: ballacr75
Title: Power of the slave
Art: Internet
Chord: F
Genre: Instrumental
Duration: 3'52"
BPM: 120
Signature: 4/4
Daw: Renoise 3.1b
Tracks: 9
Plugins: 9x MPowerSynth
Samples: None
Effects: TDR Kotelinikov

Good luck all!

[Meakaale]

Does anyone know how to make voice independent modulation?

E.g. I want to have key independent renonace. I use "NOTES" modulation and want more filter resonace on higher keys. If I press a high key and hold this and then press a lower. The resonace will change for both keys when I want individual resonace for each key.

E.g. I want to put an envelope on the transform DEPTH. When I press one key the envelope starts to mod and when I press another key the envelope retriggers the mod for both voices (or only for the first one depending on what "ACTION ON" setting I use).

[Meakaale]

I have a programming question for any MPower experts.

Is there a way to use midi velocity to control the volume of just one oscillator? It doesn't seem to come up as a modulation source in the modulators -- they are focused on the LFO's or a custom envelope -- both have lots of great options, but I can't find a simple midi modulation source selector.

Thanks.

It's achieved using "dry/wet" mod parameter in mix mode. The volume of the oscillators will be the "wet" part 0-100% . And this is not available on osc1 because you can put the osc that shall be loudest on osc 1 and the the others are relative to osc 1.

[ontrackp]

I have a programming question for any MPower experts.

Is there a way to use midi velocity to control the volume of just one oscillator? It doesn't seem to come up as a modulation source in the modulators -- they are focused on the LFO's or a custom envelope -- both have lots of great options, but I can't find a simple midi modulation source selector.

Thanks.

It's achieved using "dry/wet" mod parameter in mix mode. The volume of the oscillators will be the "wet" part 0-100% . And this is not available on osc1 because you can put the osc that shall be loudest on osc 1 and the the others are relative to osc 1.

Thanks. I understand the wet/dry labeling (which is a little weird - calling it something like "level" would have been good) but my bigger issue was making velocity control it. I figured out you need to use a multiparameter for that. Not incredibly intuitive, but there is a certain programming logic to the entire synth that makes sense now.

[Meakaale]

Thanks. I understand the wet/dry labeling (which is a little weird - calling it something like "level" would have been good) but my bigger issue was making velocity control it. I figured out you need to use a multiparameter for that. Not incredibly intuitive, but there is a certain programming logic to the entire synth that makes sense now.

Oh sorry. You can use "Special velocity (on)" for velocity control? But again that will probably bring the same issue I have that it mods all voices for the keys I press

[ontrackp]

Yes. I believe it does mod all the keys, and Special Velocity (on) is the controller. I just find it to be a little bit of an indirect process -- having to set up a Multiparameter just for velocity. Although there are a few dedicated velocity controls in the filter and oscillator sections I think.

All in all an interesting and somewhat unique sounding synth. The sound of it is pushing me towards more electronic and synthy sounds rather than trying to make it feel warm and organic.

[wagtunes]

Yes. I believe it does mod all the keys, and Special Velocity (on) is the controller. I just find it to be a little bit of an indirect process -- having to set up a Multiparameter just for velocity. Although there are a few dedicated velocity controls in the filter and oscillator sections I think.

All in all an interesting and somewhat unique sounding synth. The sound of it is pushing me towards more electronic and synthy sounds rather than trying to make it feel warm and organic.

Forget the warm and organic. This is without a doubt the most digital sounding synth I've ever worked on. It's like programming a robot.

[garryknight]

pitch altering delays are explicitly verboten

Pitch-altering delays might be forbidden in the DAW but surely it must be OK to use them inside MPpowerSynth itself?

[ontrackp]

Yes. Everything that is included in the synth can be used. The restrictions apply to external and DAW effects. The idea is to keep the playing field even.

[wagtunes]

Yes. Everything that is included in the synth can be used. The restrictions apply to external and DAW effects. The idea is to keep the playing field even.

Except there's a flaw with this logic.

Keeping the playing field even essentially translates to "nothing that somebody would have to pay money for in order to use."

Now that applies to FX that are legal to use, such as delays and reverbs. Perfectly acceptable and yet I was told one month that I couldn't use a particular delay that used to be free but was now a paid for only plugin.

And that's fine.

But then what about free FX that alter the sound of a synth? Why can't they be used? If everybody has access to them, the playing field is still level. There's no advantage because of monetary concerns. The only concerns would possibly be OS specific FX that only work in Windows or MAC. But you've got that problem right now with VSTs that are either only Windows or MAC, leaving whole people out of the contest altogether.

And what about 32 bit plugs that can't be used by people on 64 bit systems, or at least not used easily? This certainly doesn't make the playing field level when somebody is forced to freeze every track or is maybe limited to only using 5 or 6 tracks because of problems with a VST that somebody on another OS doesn't have.

Point is, there is only so level you're going to make the playing field with so many variables involved. So why can't somebody use a free chorus or modulation FX if everybody on that platform has access to it?

I mean if we're eliminating certain FX because of what they do to the synth's generic sound, then all of those FX should be disallowed even if they're contained in the synth itself. Because there's no difference between using a comb filter that's contained in MPS and using a comb filter that's free on the internet, especially if that comb filter is cross platform and everybody can use it. Certainly more people than can use some of these synths.

So I'm not exactly sure we're successful in avoiding what it is we're trying to avoid. For that matter, I'm not really sure just what it is we're trying to avoid given all the holes in the intent that I've pointed out above.

[bjporter]

Best to continue this in the discussion thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4305672

[CoolColJ]

Yes. I believe it does mod all the keys, and Special Velocity (on) is the controller. I just find it to be a little bit of an indirect process -- having to set up a Multiparameter just for velocity. Although there are a few dedicated velocity controls in the filter and oscillator sections I think.

All in all an interesting and somewhat unique sounding synth. The sound of it is pushing me towards more electronic and synthy sounds rather than trying to make it feel warm and organic.

Forget the warm and organic. This is without a doubt the most digital sounding synth I've ever worked on. It's like programming a robot.

It can do some warm sounds, quick dirty edit of my track, the bass sound I programmed sounds quite Moog like

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/bli ... Synth1.mp3

[ontrackp]

Yes. I believe it does mod all the keys, and Special Velocity (on) is the controller. I just find it to be a little bit of an indirect process -- having to set up a Multiparameter just for velocity. Although there are a few dedicated velocity controls in the filter and oscillator sections I think.

All in all an interesting and somewhat unique sounding synth. The sound of it is pushing me towards more electronic and synthy sounds rather than trying to make it feel warm and organic.

Forget the warm and organic. This is without a doubt the most digital sounding synth I've ever worked on. It's like programming a robot.

It can do some warm sounds, quick dirty edit of my track, the bass sound I programmed sounds quite Moog like

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/bli ... Synth1.mp3

Nice track, and the bass is moog like. But the feel of your track is very synthy, sequenced and electronic -- certainly not orchestral or like a live band. My point is that for me, the feel of the sounds this software makes are pushing me compositionally towards a more electronic composition. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's pretty darn digital.