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dvdvelde wrote:...They dont state anything in the manual how the preset is build up, you cannot find any info how to make a preset or read it with another program....
Oh OK then if they don't make the information or interface public there's not much you can do there then. That would be a lot of work for a smaller percentage of return than what the primary focus of AAMS is anyway - I think. That is to give the best possible advice back to the user concerning EQ and Dynamics adjustments that should be made to the track or mix in question, basing that on what the user thinks is a suitable reference. AAMS just (hehe - with a lot of programming work) characterizes and quantifies what those adjustments would be in terms of EQ and Dynamics processors. I think that's a very fine tool in itself! 8)

I was just thinking of a way to get AAMS to adjust my own set of plugins as long as you were thinking about implementing plugins - but the preset problem looks like a huge problem among other things I guess...I can make my own adjustments easy enough - AAMS can't do everything for me.

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Ok, just remember its V1.0.
I just not got 50% of my plans inside.
I am using it the same , as you now.

For EQ if you have Elemental Audio Systems Firium.
AAMS save a preset for it and thats about 75% of your work done.

The rest i use Izotope Ozone's multiband compressor.
And Ozone's loudness max.
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dvdvelde wrote:Ok, just remember its V1.0 and its a crowd teaser...
I just not got 50% of my plans inside...
I am using it the same , as you now.

For EQ if you have Elemental Audio Systems Firium.
AAMS save a preset for it and thats about 75% of your work done.

The rest i use Izotope Ozone's multiband compressor.
And Ozone's loudness max.
I have both of those fine pieces of software equipment! Now I see what that AAMSfiriumdub file is for (guessing) as well as your earlier comment about Elemental preset implementation...interesting.

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The AAMS firium.dub file gets changed by AAMS into a new preset, its gets copyed by AAMS and then it fills in the EQ settings. The wonderfull thing is , firium is 50 band Stereo! It will affect left and right differently. Spectral panning! Its really great.
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dvdvelde wrote:It will affect left and right differently. Spectral panning! Its really great.
Firium is cool !

Voxengo also has a take on spectral panning that includes allowing seperate EQ and compression for the mid-side components in addition to the standard L-R. I don't know what his internal preset template looks like though - or if it's standardized across his product set...hmmm

CurveEQ
Soniformer MB compressor
And the free digitalfishpohoes Endorphin has an m/s compressor.

Sometime adjusting the m-s is just the right thing!

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Now if you got it together with Voxengo .... :love:

[ha - beat me to it kylen ...... but only by seconds ....]

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TechNoiZ wrote:Now if you got it together with Voxengo .... :love:

[ha - beat me to it kylen ...... but only by seconds ....]
Hey - Great minds & tools think alike ! :D

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Now if any farsighted developer on this site has got a great, yet simple system for organising their various plugin's presets --> both easy to understand from a programmers point of view and easy to manipulate from an external source --> I'll bet anybody's bottom dollar it's that man Aleksey ...... :hihi:

Watch this space ......... :o

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Yep, you can request Voxengo. But you know what is comming up. This is one of their presets from Crunchessor. *.fxp

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dvdvelde wrote:Yep, you can request Voxengo.
dvdvelde - If you ask the right questions and tone your approach down a notch you might find some co-operation. I've asked Aleksey to think about this...there are a heck of a lot of other good programmers here too that might consider your proposal for a unified preset template.

Take a deep breath would you ! :wink:

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Anyway , steady presets only work with EQ. Like firium presets that come out of AAMS. It's a one way ticket. So if more EQ plugins open up their presets, i could do something about this.

But compression and loudness settings for plugins like Voxengo, Waves, would simply not work in a one way direction.
The compressor must be changed to do matching and analyze its outcome. That's why you need manual input and a feedback loop.

The Waves C4 for instance does not even show how much compression its doing. Oh yes , Waves C4 is showing you by a moving little line a VU meter, i cant read at all. I have to quess how much db's its doing, i can read it accurately anywhere.
Voxengo Track Compressor has a Reduction Vu-meter, but it does not show any db's in numbers. How can a user see how much compression it is doing ?

The only plugin i found that shows you how much compression is done per band, is Ozone. It shows it as a correct Vu-meter specturm and next to it is the reduction in numbers in db! Good workedout plugin. This is readable. In a certain way this works well. Its manual but its visible in its outcome behavior.

Other Multiband compression plugins i find, dont even readout how much compression per band they are doing... dont have a VU meter outcome.. or soly expect that you go listen for pumping and breathing youself. Yes, we have a long way to...

I am not at all saying any one of these plugins are bad, they are good, very good. But they do expect a lot that your do hearing and listening to it.
I sometimes as a user i think they should provide a more visible clear info. It would only benefit the user more.
(Hope you understand this and i just give you the info how i think of this)
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The only thing I can say is:

OMG, what an ugly and repelling interface of an software!

You guys obviously have to develop an "AUTOMATIC PLEASING UI DESIGN ENGINE" at next!

Many studio pros will probably have alot of fun reading this website ... :hihi:

(But seriously: Broadcasters may it find useful for their special purposes.)

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(Hijacked) :oops:
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(kylen) I am working on it with a DX VST programmer and some mastering engineers, the plugins are gonna do what i want and it's based on suggestions and ideas we have. The plugins have to work perfectly alongside AAMS first (at least that is the target).

I have made a loudness max plugin (well its standalone now) that does loudness automatic. It just hunts the audio and calculates the highest posible setting before audio starts breaking up in pieces. I have written a calculation for loudness maximizing, but it must first be fully copyrighted and patented before i start releasing plugins! I would like to work with developpers :help: , but it wont be availeble, cause its gonna be when its fully perfect. But if any plugin programmers read AAMS or my post, they could always contact me. AAMS is out from 1-1-2005 so it's just about 15 days released to the public. I will just await users mastering experiences with AAMS and develop further plans on my our believes and their suggestions to make AAMS stronger.

Don't expect a released V2.0 version of AAMS before i have the grips on plugins and real Auto Rendering... and sure by then the graphics of AAMS would be much better. AAMS V1.0 -V1.99 will be purely informational and spitting out presets for plugins.
V2.0 will be fully automatic or there will never be a V2.0. I have a roadmap ready for V2.0, it's gonna be like this, kick in your mix -> out comes a mastered version. Yes, i have heard before it cannot be done? hmmmm :cry:
It's gonna be my way (or the user way) but it must be clearly visible first and comprehensive, or the highway... :wink:
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Well OK - just chewing on all this.

I don't mind having a loose feedback loop like AAMS gives me some ideas of things to change according to some reference I'm moving toward as a goal...I make the changes and then present it to AAMS again for another opinion...and so on. And then I would always have the option of making changes according to my own hearing and style. I understand about getting feedback programattically from plugins - sometimes it's hard enough to do just using the eyes and ears.

Anyway sounds interesting so far !

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