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tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:21 pm

jens wrote:
tetraplan wrote:
funkalized wrote:I don't belive in the machines power to replace talent.
The piano is a machine.
Does a piano replace talent?
How (doesn't it)?

Groet, Erik
are you sure you read his sentence correctly?

I think so.

Groet, Erik

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:29 pm

then I don't understand your answer to it.
He wrote he does NOT believe in the machines power to replace talent and to me your answer made only sense if he wrote he did.

(but probably it's only my bad understanding of the english language

)

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:38 pm

jens wrote: then I don't understand your answer to it.
He wrote he does NOT believe in the machines power to replace talent and to me your answer made only sense if he wrote he did.

(but probably it's only my bad understanding of the english language )

I might have been to consise [sp?].
My point is: "the computer is an instrument". Instruments don't replace talent, it requires talent in order to make music with them (1).
I think his singleing out the computer as a machine that does not replace talent is rather pointless. It is an old comment that has been made about computers, and it usually (but not always) shows a lack of understanding of what a computer is and/or can do.

Hence the "learn your computer" comment.
I may, of course, be totally mistaken.

Groet, Erik

(1) or not. If music is organised noise, any sounds made by a person, talented or untalented, may be music in the right context.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:41 pm

"You don't have to call it music, if the term shocks you."

-John Cage

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:47 pm

"As a teenager I was more of an anarchist, but now I want people to thrive and be harmonious."

-nicholas cage

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:53 pm

Hi

"I'LL BE BACK"

The Terminator

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TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:57 pm

tetraplan wrote: The piano is a machine.

That's my sentence of the day. wonderful. you guys are highly entertaining.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:59 pm

whats funny about that?
technically it is
it has mechanical workings so when you press a key a hammer strikes a string.
thus its a machine.
the brain is a machine

Dave Blakely · Post by **Dave Blakely** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:08 pm

vurt wrote: the brain is a machine

Can i send mine back for a replacement then if its still under warranty?

TrekStar · Post by **TrekStar** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:11 pm

vurt wrote:whats funny about that?

...dunno...it's just funny...I can imagine quite vivid how it sounds if someone with such strange conclusions plays the piano ....defiant in the thought that it is not necessary to learn an instrument and that a computer and a piano are comparable "machines".

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:12 pm

Robert Randolph wrote:
jens wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Guitar is linear as well.
not at all!!! - the single strings are linear in themselves, but as soon as you're playing a chord and you have to use more than one string it isn't linear anymore...
Of course it is. please explain how it isnt.... maybe linear means something very very different here

very simple, there are no changes from octave to octave (the only variance in piano) where as on a guitar each string is different, thus it's not as linear and "all in front of you" as the piano. On a piano keyboard all you need do is glance down to see where natural half steps are and see how they apply to key changes, on a guitar (remember I'm talking begginners) you have to figure it out on a per string basis. Factor in alternate tunings and it becomes worse. There is a reason why many children learn piano first, and they teach theory using the piano. The basics are easier to grasp on a piano keyboard. That's not to say it's an easier instrument to become accomplished on, but it is an easier instrument to grasp the basics with...

tetraplan · Post by **tetraplan** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:16 pm

TrekStar wrote:
vurt wrote:whats funny about that?
...dunno...it's just funny...I can imagine quite vivid how it sounds if someone with such strange conclusions plays the piano

Why is it a strange conclusion?

....defiant in the thought that it is not necessary to learn an instrument and that a computer and a piano are comparable "machines".

Well, the necessity (or lack thereof) to learn an instrument has been discussed to death on this thread, so I won't comment.
But how aren't a computer and a piano comparable "machines"?

Groet, Erik

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:20 pm

pHz wrote:remember (both of you) that there is a huge gulf between actual education and merely being told 'this is the right way to do it'

slainte rob

wow that's the quote of the week...my first thought was that of myself being a young budding guitarist in the 70's (which I was) and the hundreds of variations on stairway to heaven I've seen. Of course everyone was right..

But no one was right..same with smoke on the water...

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:54 pm

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vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:58 pm

EJo wrote: It takes 6-10 years to get anywhere at all, and then you practice several hours every day. If you don't wanna do this, don't even try to make music. NO ONE is gonna wanna listen to it.

{cough]bollocks[/cough]

Do you have to play an instrument?