Reason 11 announced!!!

[David]

Correct! All REs are fully compatible with Reason Rack Plugin, so if you own them they'll work.

Can Reason Rack Plugin host 3rd party VSTs?

Can Reason Rack Plugin be used as a MIDI source, i.e. use QNG or PolyStep Players to drive Serum or Avenger?

What I really wonder about how/if the great midi fx/sequencers/arp, especially the new ones in Reason 10, will work in the rack in another VST. Does midi drag and drop for example will work in another daw ?

Not in the first version, no. And we have no plans for hosting VSTs inside our VST, high inception-warning on that one. Happy to hear you're interested in using Players as MIDI FX in your DAW though, definitely a good idea.

More than a good idea—an OBVIOUS one!! THIS was the very first thing I hoped for when I read the announcement, very disappointed that MIDI is still not apparently a priority for you guys:(

But if it ever does become important, while you're at it, how about MIDI out from VSTs in Reason stand-alone?? IMO, Reason Players make Reason one of the best MIDI tools ever, and it would be SO great not to have to just accept that Reason STILL doesn't really play well with others without 3rd-party help (IAC, MIDI Loopback…).

On that score, what about CV I/O!? Reason 1 was the first soft-modular thing I ever saw (and loved), but now that it's got great company (Reaktor, Voltage Modular, VCV…), and has finally acknowledged the VST Universe, what's up with all this continued walled garden stuff? Reason should STILL be the first: The first to create a working bridge to and between other soft-modular environments. MIDI out from hosted VSTs would be a great start.

[deep'n'dark]

You forget that people now and in the future will for sure buy Reason for what it is. A fully fledged DAW not just to access rack as a VST.

I'm not forgetting anything. My post that you quoted was in reply to assertion that now more people - using other DAWs currently - will buy Reason because they'll be able to run Rack devices as VSTs. Personally, I'd pay $/EUR79 to access Europa, Thor, Kong, DrOcto and ReDrum, but definitely wouldn't pay $/EUR359 to access the rest. There should/could be a middle tier offering, with all the devices but no sequencer & mixer; just the Reason Rack VST.

Yeah, but the customers also get the Reason as a standalone right?

[reggie1979]

For a full point release, we should have got the resolution and VST3 features as well.

Looks like it might be coming though, at Reasontalk someone said that the Reason rack is VST3, so they are probably working on it.

[tatanka]

More than a good idea—an OBVIOUS one

IMO, Reason Players make Reason one of the best MIDI tools ever

Totally agree to David and I must say as I read:

Happy to hear you're interested in using Players as MIDI FX in your DAW though, definitely a good idea.

I was a little shocked that you as develloper does not seem to see the outstanding importance of this especially when you do this big step to a VST "Rack". What sense does a rack make without the midi players ? I would even go so far and say its a "VST instrument and effect".

For me the players where the reason for reason 10. And I am not sure about upgrading to 11 if there is not at least a sign that this will be implemented in the lifecycle of 11, really, what is a "Rack" withoug midi ??????

[BrokenTrance]

Is there a little little risk that Reason now will become like something of Air Transfuser 2?

[rbx11]

Cool update, but no mention of support for high resolution displays.

[EnochLight]

So, can we take our Cubase audio track and route it to the R11 rack for processing? Specifically, I want to use Reason's vocoding for my host audio.

Yes. Reason Plugin works as both a VSTi as well as a VST effect.

[Psuper]

So, can we take our Cubase audio track and route it to the R11 rack for processing? Specifically, I want to use Reason's vocoding for my host audio.

Yes. Reason Plugin works as both a VSTi as well as a VST effect.

Awesome confirmation, thanks Enoch.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Hadn't heard that bit about no MIDI out (in this first release at least) from the Reason Rack VST. That's daft. Probably one of the simpler things to implement too, I'd have thought.

[Psuper]

Hadn't heard that bit about no MIDI out (in this first release at least) from the Reason Rack VST. That's daft. Probably one of the simpler things to implement too, I'd have thought.

Gotta have something to release in 11.x! You know it will happen, at least we'll be plenty engaged until then.

[quincy]

...What sense does a rack make without the midi players ? I would even go so far and say its a "VST instrument and effect".

For me the players where the reason for reason 10. And I am not sure about upgrading to 11 if there is not at least a sign that this will be implemented in the lifecycle of 11, really, what is a "Rack" withoug midi ??????

If you're interested in MIDI note processing and unusual ways to mangle note data and experimental stuff then I'd encourage you to take a look at Bitwig Studio. It has a whole load of interesting integrated plugins to generate and process MIDI note data. Note chord devices, arpeggiators, filters, pitch shifting, MIDI echo, transpose etc which can all be combined, layered and switched with automation. It also has arguably the most powerful modulation system in any DAW and when you combine the two it's capable of all kinds of crazy stuff with note generation and mangling. And that's before you even get into Bitwig's built-in modular system which is something like Reaktor and has over 130 modules.

Still, I agree that the RE players would be great as VST MIDI processors. I suspect this will arrive at a later date.

[xbitz]

just mentioning snapshotting (which states can be changed using MIDI program change messages) of Freestyle as a future development idea

especially because the VST rack was demoed with Live ... ofc. it also super useful during song development (trying out different timbres etc.)

[Forgotten]

Well I never...someone saying how great Bitwig is in a thread about a different DAW. Wonder how long it will be before someone posts about how great Reaper is...

[Spin Boyz]

Reason is obviously made for people with great vision. Its 2019, make the thing scalable.

[sin night]

This is really interesting. I thought I would have never upgraded from Reason 10 (I rarely - and I mean *really* rarely - use it), but being able to use the rack as a VST plugin is definitely an improvement in my workflow and a good reason to upgrade.



I have a few questions / feature request (I don't think some of these things are implemented yet... but I'd like to be proved wrong ):

- Does the Reason Rack VST includes ReGroove? Let's say I load a Redrum instance in the plugin and use its internal step sequencer (or any of the Reason step sequencer devices, for the matter), will I be able to apply to swing them using ReGroove, or I can do that only with the standalone version of Reason?

- It's a dumb question, but just to be clear: the state of the Reason Rack VST is saved inside the host project, just as any other vst plugin?

- If you use a device that can load external samples (like Redrum, NN-XT...), the Reason Rack VST has the option to include them inside the project, or it can only reference them? I'm thinking along the lines of the "Song Self-Contain Setting" of the standalone version of Reason.

- Related to the previous question: is there any chance of being able to export all the samples to a folder (maybe for all the loaded instances of the Reason Rack VST). Let's say I have a Cubase session and I want to backup it (so I can move it to another machine, for example), it could be useful to be able to save all the samples inside the Cubase project folder and then to able to load them from there.

- If samples are loaded from a Refill, is it possible to export (as a txt?) a list of the Refills used by the various instances of the Reason Rack inside the project? Since I'm quite sure they won't be exported as wav or embedded into the host project file, it would be nice to have at least a list of the Refills (and maybe even their path?) used in the project avaible as txt, so you can easily locate all your resources before opening the project (if you open an old project or you open it on another machines)... even though a Refill should be kept on the machine forever

- Reference to Refill files: if I move a Refill file to another path (or if I load a project on another machine, where the Refill has a different path on the hard drive), will the Reason Rack VST be able to relocate the resource (a locate resource dialog could be enough)? And the locate process is shared across all the Reason Rack VST instances of the project? Let's say I loaded 2 racks in Cubase, one with a Redrum and one with a NN-XT and both of them are referencing samples from the very same Refill: if that Refill is moved to another path, will I be asked once for the path, or once for each rack instance?


Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to Reason 11, it's been a while since a new software release really excites me!