Toneboosters new plugins and updates

[mabian]

I know we're all good and happy now, just wanted to point out that what suggested earlier could bring to other usability issues. Leave Jesus wherever he is now, no need to involve him

[mabian]

Well we can have the best of both worlds. We can lock the gain parameter for HP and LP filters by default.
If the user presses the modifier key for vertical movement only (which we already have), we lift the lock temporarily and you can move the section up and down - just like it was before

I suppose the gain slider in the controls panel is always active irrespective of the lock (also to allow a double click to quickly reset the gain to zero dB).

All in all this should be quite an elegant solution

Absolutely!

So when can we expect it to be on our mice and screens?
Thanks,
Mario

[Electric Mayhem]

I know we're all good and happy now, just wanted to point out that what suggested earlier could bring to other usability issues. Leave Jesus wherever he is now, no need to involve him

Sigh, you misunderstand ...
It wasn't being suggested at all. It was a hypothetical example of what the intuitive version of such functionality should be. Not as a solution for the already counter-intuitive Toneboosters EQ 4

[sinkmusic]

If TB Eq4 is getting some updates, may I chime in and ask for one addition to the dynamic eq?
I wish the dynamic eq could be trigger either by the whole signal (as it is now) or by the band region only ("self-trigger").

One example :
Let's say that i am working on a mix, where i can hear an annoying resonance in the 600hZ region.
I add a node/band/dot around 600hZ, and set the dynamic equing feature ON.
Now, I expect the frequency region to be tamed when the 600hZ region is getting loud, right?
My concern with the way TB Eq4 behaves now is that if i also have a booming kick in my mix, chances are high that the low frequency kick will trigger the 600hZ node (more often than the 600hZ region would auto-trigger itself) : does it make sense?

I also wish we had a better brower, with an easier access to user presets.

[mabian]

I know we're all good and happy now, just wanted to point out that what suggested earlier could bring to other usability issues. Leave Jesus wherever he is now, no need to involve him

Sigh, you misunderstand ...
It wasn't being suggested at all. It was a hypothetical example of what the intuitive version of such functionality should be. Not as a solution for the already counter-intuitive Toneboosters EQ 4

Ok. This wasn't suggested indeed. I was trying to image possible solutions and rejected them automatically.
Again, all good and no need to be upset or sad.
I'm thick, but I get there, first or then...

- Mario

[rj0]

Sorry. Replying to old post.

[djeroen]

If TB Eq4 is getting some updates, may I chime in and ask for one addition to the dynamic eq?
I wish the dynamic eq could be trigger either by the whole signal (as it is now) or by the band region only ("self-trigger").

One example :
Let's say that i am working on a mix, where i can hear an annoying resonance in the 600hZ region.
I add a node/band/dot around 600hZ, and set the dynamic equing feature ON.
Now, I expect the frequency region to be tamed when the 600hZ region is getting loud, right?
My concern with the way TB Eq4 behaves now is that if i also have a booming kick in my mix, chances are high that the low frequency kick will trigger the 600hZ node (more often than the 600hZ region would auto-trigger itself) : does it make sense?

I also wish we had a better brower, with an easier access to user presets.

The dynamics section is already working on the band region only

You can tame certain frequencies by putting an EQ node at the frequency you want to tame. The dynamics section will then only respond to a frequency range around that center frequency, with a bandwidth that is equal to the width (Q setting) of your EQ section. So the lower your Q setting, the wider your filter will be, and the wider the frequency range will be that the dynamics section will respond to. These are always perfectly matched. Basically the rule is: the dynamics section will respond to the same frequencies as your EQ filter.

The exception is for using the external side chain. That one will always use the wideband signal, not the in-band signal.

[spigmu]

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Disagree. The point is that it intuitively is the reverse. Cursor alone for behavior one normally associates with moving a pass filter and adding alt key if you want to gain the whole signal up or down.

Exactly. Nothing to do with being 'too lazy'

Yes, but reversing the alt behavior would be inconvenient for all the other filter types, or, if alt would behave differently depending on the filter type, it would introduce UI incoherency, to be avoided at all costs in my opinion.
I think the solution Jeroen suggested is the best, and it gets my vote too

- Mario

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.
My reason for quoting @spigmu's post was because I believe that he /she was talking in abstract terms about intuitive versus counter-intuitive design.
I don't believe the part about adding the Alt key to gain the whole signal was actually being mooted as a solution to this issue.
You have quoted part of my post out of context, omitting the part where I had previously stated that Jeroen's proposal was exactly what I was requesting and got my vote

Yes, I wasn't suggesting anything except for agreeing with you in the counter-intuitiveness of which behavior happened with no modifiers and which had the modifier key. I find myself often moving the frequency of a pass filter but never want the entire gain to move, unless I decided to move it. However we can get it to work in a mode with that defeated is fine by me. Reversing which gets the modifier and which doesn't wasn't on my radar at all.

[DeathByGuitar]

Jeroen, I really appreciate all the incremental updates with the V4 plugins. Any reason the TB Beta group is no longer around? (unless it is actually still around and you just kicked me out lol). I feel like some of the stuff we're talking about (like locking HPF and LPF gain for example) would have been ironed out in a longer beta period...almost like we're on V5 of these plugins at this point.

[Mr. Spock]

Really digging the latest update!!! Thank you, Jeroen

One liiiiiittle thing that I missed ever since (especially if you consider using EQ4 for mastering) is the amount of zooming in on the vertical scale. Right now to minimum is around +12dB and -20dB-ish. I would love to see the scale being a max of +6dB to see finer boosts/cuts. If you'd be absle to arrange that, that would be awesome

[gentleclockdivider]

vcf is slowly getting there , now all we need is a real secondary lfo
There are still some major annoyances , changing the lfo speed in real time ( while in hertz ) kind or restarts the phase ..totally unusable for live , automation use
And secondly , at high speed lfo rates ( above 100 hz ) there is some slewing going on , drastically affecting the modulation amount ( in hertz ) .

[mabian]

vcf is slowly getting there , now all we need is a real secondary lfo

And zero delay feedback filters... I'd say better getting it before it goes out with these additions at a higher price... :O

- Mario

[digitalboytn]

Jereon...thanks once again for these new plugins...

Indispensable and incredibly useful....

A one stop shop for so many audio solutions

[nirm123]

Toneboosters changelog is just insane. I'm following dual-vcf and it's amazing to see so many great changes in only a few months which are usually taking years for other developers (if they don't abandon the software all together).

[DonnyX]

Really digging the latest update!!! Thank you, Jeroen

One liiiiiittle thing that I missed ever since (especially if you consider using EQ4 for mastering) is the amount of zooming in on the vertical scale. Right now to minimum is around +12dB and -20dB-ish. I would love to see the scale being a max of +6dB to see finer boosts/cuts. If you'd be absle to arrange that, that would be awesome

I would love this.

One more tiny (hopefully) wish: It'd be great to be able to select Mid / Side for ANALYZER. That'd make it much easier to hunt for those nasty resonances on sides especially.