2022 DAW Predictions

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

My prediction is that nobody interested in the topic of this thread will release anything worth listening to. Because when I look to 2022, I am thinking about the timeline for finishing an EP and then an album before next December. The tools I might use to achieve that goal are largely unimportant, getting the work done is.

Rude! I've got two albums out in the next 8 months (assuming the vinyl situation doesn't get any worse), and they're both worth listening to. They're good albums.

Your angle regarding boys and toys is absolutely bog-standard behaviour for any gear-heavy pass-time that men involve themselves in (and to a lesser extent women). Golf forums fight about gold clubs that'll never see a hole-in-one, guitar forums about tube-screamer clones that'll never see a beer-soaked stage, car forums about the best tyres for 150mph, wet cornering when the car spends it's life at 30mph in traffic etc, etc.

Totally standard issue, normal, man-hobby behaviour.

I'm surprised that you think this attitude is in any way unusual, and exclusive to here. It's just normal, even though to you it might be irksome.

Like grown men who enjoy (?!) endlessly bickering on the internet. That is irksome to some people.

[BONES]

Absolute f**king bullshit. Everyone else in the universe can't be wrong, just so you can be right,

and my experience

Everywhere I have ever worked

classic

Yes, it's how to construct a cogent argument, that's what makes it a classic. OTOH, just saying something doesn't make any kind of argument at all. The problem seems to be that too many of you spend too much of your time surrounded by people whose opinions are exactly the same as yours so you don't really understand how to present an argument. You say something, everyone agrees with you and that's that. When someone doesn't agree, everything falls to pieces for you.

OTOH, I am very used to being in a minority. e.g. I am the only person in my department with any interest in sport, none of my friends (except my bandmate) are into even remotely the same kind of music I am, neither do any of them drive the same type of car or anything else. That's because people don't often make choices/decisions for themselves, they mostly look at what everyone else is doing and mimic them. It makes their lives easier but that is not the same as making the best choices, which is why divorce rates are so high and why people spend an hour or more each way commuting to jobs they hate.

Making your own decisions seems to be quite hard for many of you because you are not used to questioning the status quo. I think the root of your problem is a desperate need for acceptance, to fit in. That is something I lack, completely. Someone I respect once told me that my super-power is that I don't care and I think he was spot-on. I just try to do what's right and what's best for me so, rather than seek opinions, I seek information. It feels great to read a good, positive review of one of our albums but a critical review that goes into detail about what they don't like about it is far more useful to me, particularly as a lot of on line reviews tend to be more about the technical side of things.

It's helpful to think about the processes that lead you to a decision. If you think why you did something and the reason ends up being something like "because my favourite YT video guy showed me how to do it like that", then you've possibly made a poor decision. OTOH, if your answer is that you "watched half-a-dozen videos, tried a few different ways of doing it and found which was best", that's likely to be a better decision. You've taken personality out of it and made your own decision from a number of options (any of which are likely to be just as useful to someone else). You should try it - look at the process leading to a choice or a decision, not just at the decision itself.

[dune_rave]

DAWs are boring. we spend too much on extensions and plugins, - you know why? they are lacking important features and tools. just one example: most daw does not have special features to save layered sounds, so i ended up buying pluginguru unify. unify is a great tool to save your layered presets. pluginguru has found this missing functionality in daws. (ok, i know FL has Patcher, but thats incomplete and awkward)

[machinesworking]

DAWs are boring. we spend too much on extensions and plugins, - you know why? they are lacking important features and tools. just one example: most daw does not have special features to save layered sounds, so i ended up buying pluginguru unify. unify is a great tool to save your layered presets. pluginguru has found this missing functionality in daws. (ok, i know FL has Patcher, but thats incomplete and awkward)

I went on a search for MPE and ended up messing around with Reaper, Bitwig, Logic, and already owned Live and Digital Performer. All of them can save plug in chains, even multiple tracks as a "preset". I'm not sure what DAW you're using that can't do this? Pretty sure Cubase, Studio One, and even Pro Tools is capable of this.

[machinesworking]

Yes, it's how to construct a cogent argument, that's what makes it a classic. OTOH, just saying something doesn't make any kind of argument at all. The problem seems to be that too many of you spend too much of your time surrounded by people whose opinions are exactly the same as yours so you don't really understand how to present an argument. You say something, everyone agrees with you and that's that. When someone doesn't agree, everything falls to pieces for you.

OTOH, I am very used to being in a minority. e.g. I am the only person in my department with any interest in sport, none of my friends (except my bandmate) are into even remotely the same kind of music I am, neither do any of them drive the same type of car or anything else. That's because people don't often make choices/decisions for themselves, they mostly look at what everyone else is doing and mimic them. It makes their lives easier but that is not the same as making the best choices, which is why divorce rates are so high and why people spend an hour or more each way commuting to jobs they hate.

Making your own decisions seems to be quite hard for many of you because you are not used to questioning the status quo. I think the root of your problem is a desperate need for acceptance, to fit in. That is something I lack, completely. Someone I respect once told me that my super-power is that I don't care and I think he was spot-on.

Oh man, if you could have just avoided writing all of this narcissistic drivel, the second half would have held up so much better! As it is, I had to keep my food down reading about how edgy of an independent thinker you are. The self aggrandizing, I'm always oddly impressed when people actually write down this sort of thing with a straight face.

I just try to do what's right and what's best for me so, rather than seek opinions, I seek information. It feels great to read a good, positive review of one of our albums but a critical review that goes into detail about what they don't like about it is far more useful to me, particularly as a lot of on line reviews tend to be more about the technical side of things.

It's helpful to think about the processes that lead you to a decision. If you think why you did something and the reason ends up being something like "because my favourite YT video guy showed me how to do it like that", then you've possibly made a poor decision. OTOH, if your answer is that you "watched half-a-dozen videos, tried a few different ways of doing it and found which was best", that's likely to be a better decision. You've taken personality out of it and made your own decision from a number of options (any of which are likely to be just as useful to someone else). You should try it - look at the process leading to a choice or a decision, not just at the decision itself.

This isn't bad, but I always think you have no relative base in terms of looking outside yourself. I'm not convinced that your opinions on things aren't written in stone to you, i.e. I see no philosophical distance, no ability to think your opinion is based on what you know right now.

Or flatly, people often become defensive and start painting themselves out as misunderstood rebels against a conformist society when in fact they're constantly starting fires, it might be closer to the truth that they have an innate desire to push buttons coupled with classic fractured ego traits like martyrdom, anti social personality disorder etc. etc.

But yes, having your own opinion based on your own research is great for things outside of medicine, science, and what is best for all of society. It works really we'll for deciding whether you want a 1080p screen or 4K, video hosting in your DAW, or MPE support etc. etc. and the same logic has failed us miserably in fighting infectious diseases, because flatly people are inherently biased, outside of logic and base their 'research' on emotions rather than the actual research done by professionals that know what they're talking about.

[ZargonTheMagnificent]

You should try it

Good Lord, I really hope that post was supposed to be a pastiche...

[antic604]

DAWs are boring. we spend too much on extensions and plugins, - you know why? they are lacking important features and tools. just one example: most daw does not have special features to save layered sounds, so i ended up buying pluginguru unify. unify is a great tool to save your layered presets. pluginguru has found this missing functionality in daws. (ok, i know FL has Patcher, but thats incomplete and awkward)

I went on a search for MPE and ended up messing around with Reaper, Bitwig, Logic, and already owned Live and Digital Performer. All of them can save plug in chains, even multiple tracks as a "preset". I'm not sure what DAW you're using that can't do this? Pretty sure Cubase, Studio One, and even Pro Tools is capable of this.

They said "layered sounds", not chains. Parallel, not serial. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in Cubase or Pro Tools.

[dune_rave]

it's not really matters how i call that. to describe simply:
unify is a missing feature of daws.

[chagzuki]

Yamaha will buy Fender, and release Cubonus Studio.

[machinesworking]

They said "layered sounds", not chains. Parallel, not serial. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in Cubase or Pro Tools.

I'm pretty sure you can save multiple tracks and keyboard splits etc. as a "preset" in most DAWs. I get the convenience of a plug in, but almost every DAW I've used allows the saving of a bundle of tracks, and plug in chains on a track etc. I mean I get the immediacy of it all but even the modulation system of Bitwig was never completely mind blowing to me, we've had automation shapes in plenty of DAWs in the past, with various actions you can perform on that shape etc.

Don't get me wrong, I miss Kore to this day, and Bitwigs automation system is brilliant, I'm just always surprised when people act like it's not possible.

[antic604]

unify is a missing feature of daws.

I don't see it adds anythig to Bitwig, Live or Reason and not much to Studio One.

[antic604]

They said "layered sounds", not chains. Parallel, not serial. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in Cubase or Pro Tools.

I'm pretty sure you can save multiple tracks and keyboard splits etc. as a "preset" in most DAWs. I get the convenience of a plug in, but almost every DAW I've used allows the saving of a bundle of tracks, and plug in chains on a track etc.

Can you? I've no idea how to save multiple tracks as a single preset in anything else than Bitwig (where you group them and save the meta-clip) and I consider myself to be quite versed in most popular DAWs on Windows.

I mean I get the immediacy of it all but even the modulation system of Bitwig was never completely mind blowing to me, we've had automation shapes in plenty of DAWs in the past, with various actions you can perform on that shape etc.

Don't get me wrong, I miss Kore to this day, and Bitwigs automation system is brilliant, I'm just always surprised when people act like it's not possible.

I guess the advantage - for me - is that whereas automation is static and intentional, modulation can be dynamic and unpredictable, i.e. can react to what's happening elsewhere and/or can be totally random e.g. as an LFO that's decoupled from transport and beat grid or just straight random. In my projects a lot of stuff is modulated randomly and deterministically, i.e. there's no 2 plays that sound the same: note velocity, note probability, synthesis parameters, effects blend, etc.

In that sense, it's literally NOT possible in many DAWs, indeed.

Obviously if someone doesn't find that appealing or better yet thinks it would be a problem for their music, then they will not appreciate Bitwig's modulation system - which is totally fine, of course.

[miguelp1986]

Behringer will continue making replicas of old analog classics.

[miguelp1986]

Behringer will continue making replicas of old analog classics.

Doh! We're talking DAW predictions here. Reason will finally update their sequencer.

[benzene]

Can you? I've no idea how to save multiple tracks as a single preset in anything else than Bitwig (where you group them and save the meta-clip) and I consider myself to be quite versed in most popular DAWs on Windows.

I recently found out you can do this in Live - drag a track over to a folder on the left hand side and it will create an .als file. Also works for group tracks. You can then pull this into another project and it'll spark up the chain along with any midi parts.

Another thing I should have explored more but haven't yet is instrument racks. Separate VST chains with macro mappings, within one track. Can be saved as a preset - create your own layered synth presets!