End of development: There will be no new Tone2 products
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- KVRAF
- 9134 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
Icarus does have a demo.
Subjective of course in sound/genre perceptions as I've always found Electra to be the one "too EDM-supersawed" for my tastes. But the three demos I keep trying have been Gladiator, Rayblaster and Icarus. I owned the first two and consider buying them again. The one thing I've never cared for in their plugins is not them, but the locked in presets. i.e. not being able to load what I like and shatcan the rest.
The Tone2 team have always been very responsive, professional and polite to me in email correspondence. So hoping they find a way to keep moving forward. No one else is doing real PAP like they have. Maybe a mastering utility that could do those things to the entire mix would be great...
Subjective of course in sound/genre perceptions as I've always found Electra to be the one "too EDM-supersawed" for my tastes. But the three demos I keep trying have been Gladiator, Rayblaster and Icarus. I owned the first two and consider buying them again. The one thing I've never cared for in their plugins is not them, but the locked in presets. i.e. not being able to load what I like and shatcan the rest.
The Tone2 team have always been very responsive, professional and polite to me in email correspondence. So hoping they find a way to keep moving forward. No one else is doing real PAP like they have. Maybe a mastering utility that could do those things to the entire mix would be great...
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- KVRAF
- 35689 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Must be why I like it the most, soundwise.BBFG# wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:12 pm Icarus does have a demo.
Subjective of course in sound/genre perceptions as I've always found Electra to be the one "too EDM-supersawed" for my tastes.
If only it would be better to program... that layer architecture is, like, the absolute horror to program. Never used a synth which was that cumbersome and tedious to program. Icarus is a breeze to program, compared to it. But, I like Electra's sound better.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
Tone2 synths can do ambient/atmospheric soundscapes and ethereal pads although one has to fine tune them. The marketing accent is on techno/hardcore dance music so it might not be readily apparent, nor after briefly trying some demos but if one starts with some of the provided patches, gets to understand how the synths are working (each one is innovative in its synthesis approach) then you can create your own very nice sound textures, arps, pads and ambiances.
Considering the number of views for the following hour and a half interview, it might very well be that some people here in this thread would be interested to learn more about Marcus as he goes from how it all began to current technical concerns and many other subjects. The interview was made 3 years ago.
Considering the number of views for the following hour and a half interview, it might very well be that some people here in this thread would be interested to learn more about Marcus as he goes from how it all began to current technical concerns and many other subjects. The interview was made 3 years ago.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
Same here. Very nice people in day-to-day practical handling of customers, as far as I've experienced.BBFG# wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:12 pm The Tone2 team have always been very responsive, professional and polite to me in email correspondence. So hoping they find a way to keep moving forward. ...
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- KVRAF
- 35689 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Of course, like with any more or less complex synth, you can pretty much do anything with them. Or... with anything rather simple too.mevla wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:22 pm Tone2 synths can do ambient/atmospheric soundscapes and ethereal pads although one has to fine tune them.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
For instance, following the detailed sound creation approach by Treeswift on Zebra2 then using the same techniques with Icarus, Electra, Gladiator, RayBlasterchk071 wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:43 pm Of course, like with any more or less complex synth, you can pretty much do anything with them. Or... with anything rather simple too.![]()
- KVRAF
- 4206 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
Really interesting interview. Usually someone who is passionate about something will usually go back to what they love doing. Although burnout can really effect your health.mevla wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:22 pm Tone2 synths can do ambient/atmospheric soundscapes and ethereal pads although one has to fine tune them. The marketing accent is on techno/hardcore dance music so it might not be readily apparent, nor after briefly trying some demos but if one starts with some of the provided patches, gets to understand how the synths are working (each one is innovative in its synthesis approach) then you can create your own very nice sound textures, arps, pads and ambiances.
Considering the number of views for the following hour and a half interview, it might very well be that some people here in this thread would be interested to learn more about Marcus as he goes from how it all began to current technical concerns and many other subjects. The interview was made 3 years ago.
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- KVRAF
- 18484 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
It's just the presets. Anyone with basic knowledge of synthesizers could easily get something for any genre you can imagine from Electra, or any of Tone 2's instruments.BBFG# wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:12 pmSubjective of course in sound/genre perceptions as I've always found Electra to be the one "too EDM-supersawed" for my tastes.
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- KVRAF
- 9134 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
Certainly true of almost every plugin. I just couldn't mesh with it's underlying character regardless of the patch. I also never got along with Nemesis. It's just a personal thing where they didn't grab me. Both are very capable.zerocrossing wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:31 pmIt's just the presets. Anyone with basic knowledge of synthesizers could easily get something for any genre you can imagine from Electra, or any of Tone 2's instruments.BBFG# wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:12 pmSubjective of course in sound/genre perceptions as I've always found Electra to be the one "too EDM-supersawed" for my tastes.
- KVRAF
- 4206 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
Although what I gather (including that interview posted) that Icarus has its own sound, or people are recognizing presets being used in various productions. Might be related to its resynthesis engine or vocoder, or just its vibe. It does also use samples. Anyway, that's the main reason I bought it, the resynthesis engine which is better than Synplant 2's geopatch, but also for its sound.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
It's easier to get something useful with Icarus' resynthesis. Much easier.egbert101 wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:45 pm Although what I gather (including that interview posted) that Icarus has its own sound, or people are recognizing presets being used in various productions. Might be related to its resynthesis engine or vocoder, or just its vibe. It does also use samples. Anyway, that's the main reason I bought it, the resynthesis engine which is better than Synplant 2's geopatch, but also for its sound.
The problem might be, when I compare with the interview/demo done with Magnus Lidström 2 months ago ("Synplant 2 - Industry Game Changer"), that the guys at Sonic Charge greatly underestimated the response of avid audience-grabbing synth vloggers who would throw themselves at SP2's Genopatch resulting in largely mostly geeky-nerdy unmusical useless blurbs, generating a negative impression by not taking the time at all to fully explore the feature calmly, for a feature that was termed as an 'Industry Game Changer'.
There's such a contrast in the use of Genopatch by Magnus two months ago and what the audience-growing trend followers have shown.
Anyways.
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- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Hi Markus,
I just found out about your decision to stop further development.
I've always considered you to be one of the top soft-synth developers. A mad genius. I remember when you released Firebird and how fresh it was. How innovative it was. You then followed up with the insanely deep Gladiator...Your take on synthesis always brought something truly exiting to the vast and ever expanding world of soft-synths.
I feel sorry that your passion for developing synths has been affected by the numerous reasons you've outlined. I wish you all the best, and may you recover, find balance and health so that maybe, just maybe, in the future, when you have another brilliant idea, it will materialise as another Tone2 instrument.
Thank you for the amazing instruments!
I just found out about your decision to stop further development.
I've always considered you to be one of the top soft-synth developers. A mad genius. I remember when you released Firebird and how fresh it was. How innovative it was. You then followed up with the insanely deep Gladiator...Your take on synthesis always brought something truly exiting to the vast and ever expanding world of soft-synths.
I feel sorry that your passion for developing synths has been affected by the numerous reasons you've outlined. I wish you all the best, and may you recover, find balance and health so that maybe, just maybe, in the future, when you have another brilliant idea, it will materialise as another Tone2 instrument.
Thank you for the amazing instruments!
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- KVRAF
- 35689 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
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- KVRian
- 829 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
It's not a new product. It is an upgrade. So, it's really "kind of".
- KVRAF
- 2473 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
I don't think Markus ever left, he just set up a much needed firewall between him and the "vox populi", i.e. the crapfest that is KVR.lobanov wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:34 pmIt's not a new product. It is an upgrade. So, it's really "kind of".
Regarding, no new plugins, I'm not sure Tone2 requires any. It's stable is already full to bursting with every synthesis method you'd ever need. Even the latest, Warlock, is just basically Gladiator Lite.
Incremental updates are fine and who knows? maybe even a new feature or two will sneak in.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? 
