Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????

[Spe3D]

A $150.00 program wouldn't be on a serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it? I don't see any big names on the FL website to contradict my statement.

Your naivety is now painful. Mike Oldfield not good enough for you?

Dude, seriously. Just how big of a household name is Mike Oldfield? Need I say more? Give it up dude.

That's really all I have to say regarding this subject as their really is nothing to argue about. Enough said so I will take my leave now. Until then, .

Here are some tips for rating music software.

Enjoy making music – IF spending $1000’s gets you to that point of enjoyment – where you both enjoy the process of composing to rendering – then fine.

IF spending $149 gets you there – then fine.

I just love the tools in FL – they are both fun and powerful to use – and the learning curve is very smooth.

Upto 32 bit render – that’s pretty high quality – better than CD, DVD audio.

Plus its easy to render out tunes for others to hear on the net via MP3

It gets me there for sure.

Some even get there with freeware

Actually that’s the funny bit – there is a guy with serious Pro tools – who presents his work to the world in mp3 format – the same format as others who may have used *budget* software. That’s plain mad – if I was taking things to this extent, where I needed to say my app is Pro - it cost hundreds n hundreds - n yours is crap – I sure would not present my work in MP3 if I was that hung up – why reduce your $1000’s in software to an MP3?

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

[Hink]

Mystical_Fantasy wrote:
A $150.00 program wouldn't be on a serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it? I don't see any big names on the FL website to contradict my statement.

I'm sorry but that's bunk....I may not be famous, I may not be a household name (actualy I am but because of another with my name),certainly not a big name (but what does that have to do with being a serious musician)...but I will say without a doubt after 33 years of guitar playing, songwriting, playing in bands and studio work I am definately one serious musician...and I love FL, I also use AA with it.

[Lunch Money]

Since when does price tag = seriousness of work?

That's ludicrous.

And regarding famous people... that's an ad-populem argument, which is a fallacy in logic as well.



However, since that door has been opened-- Mike Oldfield is pretty famous, dude... not necessarily a "household name" to youngsters, but once upon a time there was a copy of Tubular Bells in practically EVERY LP collection. It, along with Dark Side of the Moon, was a litmus test for stereophiles' new gear.

Greg

[donkey tugger]

No one purchases Steinberg, Cakewalk, or Emagic software for the name only to maintain an image.

A $150.00 program wouldn't be a part of any serious musicians and/or pro musicians arsenal of sounds anyway. Even if they did, who would admit it?

Que?

[Squonk]

Me like Mystical_Fantasy. He funny!

There ya go, JMC. All you need to do to make FL used by all the top producers is raise the price to "pro" levels. Easy as that. No need to write any code!

Watch out for FL6 Pro Edition for $1490.

Oh, and Mystical_Fantasy - I had a listen to some tracks from your site. Pretty good, but not really my cup of meat. I'm struggling to understand what was in them that couldn't have been done in virtually *any* music app though?

[TVD]

Since when does price tag = seriousness of work?

That's ludicrous.

And regarding famous people... that's an ad-populem argument, which is a fallacy in logic as well.



However, since that door has been opened-- Mike Oldfield is pretty famous, dude... not necessarily a "household name" to youngsters, but once upon a time there was a copy of Tubular Bells in practically EVERY LP collection. It, along with Dark Side of the Moon, was a litmus test for stereophiles' new gear.

Greg

Plus, Mike Oldfield also work with Daryl Hall & John Oates during the early 80's. The man's resume speaks for itself.

[headquest]

Very true...

...but in education (my main emplyment - I teach keyboards and Music Tech) it is very useful to be able to rip a track from a CD and transpose it to another key (e.g. using pitchshifting) so that it is easier for students to play along with.

So what's hard? You rip the track to WAV in any number of free programs, dump the WAV in FL Studio 5 and then pitch-shift it.

Carb.

Nothing hard there, Carb, but the point of the thread is about whether FL replaces other application.

Advising me to use another application alongside FL simply proves my point, which is that it's good - and useful - to have other applications too!

[headquest]

Oh, and for that feature list...

- Click/Pop removal
- Noise reduction
- Hiss reduction
- Frequency Spectrum analysis, including the ability to apply effects to specific frequencies only
- Vocal extraction
- Professional mastering tools
- Convolution based effects
- FX freeze/lock

There are VST tools for all that.

Using VSTs is not the same as using FruityLoops. Sure, FL can host VSTs, but so can most programs. The point of this thread was to debate whether FL is enough on its own - without other tools. If I'm going to use VST plugins for everything (and I do use them a lot, so don't misunderstand my point!) then I can use any number of programs, not just FL.

The point of an audio editing software suite is that you get top-drawer effects and audio tools in one integrated application, which is deeply helpful in terms of workflow.

Also an integrated suite like Audition is more stable and CPU friendly than using a whole range of resource-hungry plugins, and quicker to learn.

[headquest]

...once upon a time there was a copy of Tubular Bells in practically EVERY LP collection. It, along with Dark Side of the Moon, was a litmus test for stereophiles' new gear.

Greg

Plus, Mike Oldfield also work with Daryl Hall & John Oates during the early 80's. The man's resume speaks for itself.

Let's see if "Techno Bells 2005 - the slightly different version" can replicate that earlier success

By the way, if you take a look at Mike Oldfields computer monitor in the picture you will see that he's using Reason too

[headquest]

I think that overall there are two seperate questions going on here...

Firstly, can FL replace audio editing and mastering software like Pro Tools and Audition?

Gol has conclusively answered that in person:

FL never claimed to be an audio editor. An audio editor is something critical that every musician should have, and probably already has.
FL is made to work along with audio editors.

Secondly though is the question can FL replace a conventional sequencer?

To this I would give a "qualified Yes".

FL is a great composing tool - I love it! But it is particularly geared to those who work using pattern sequencing, and is most useful for producing dance genre music.

People who prefer to work in a more linear style, or who are writing classical music (for example) probably won't like FL so much.

I'm not yet familiar with v5 of FL, so I don't know whether it has the following:

- Notation/Score - pretty important composition tool for many musicians
- MIDI event list (for fine tuning)
- Plug-in delay compensation (apparently not, reading above)
- Freeze (apparently not...)
- External Effects integration/control
- Automated Tempo ramping for audio/midi
- External MIDI control, SMTPE/MTC
- Video thumbnail track for fine tuning audio/video integration
- Surround mixing and surround-enabled effects
- support for REX2 and Acid loop formats
- Support for Giga/Akai/EXS/etc sample formats

FOr SOME musicians (professional or not) these are important considerations when choosing a sequencer platform. They may need to look elsewhere.

Lastly of course, most professional musicians are going to want at least some integration with Apple Mac.

[Carbonboy]

Nothing hard there, Carb, but the point of the thread is about whether FL replaces other application.

Advising me to use another application alongside FL simply proves my point, which is that it's good - and useful - to have other applications too!

OK, I misunderstood, thought you were saying it was easier in Cubase.

Carb.

[headquest]

OK, I misunderstood, thought you were saying it was easier in Cubase.

Carb.

Nothing is easier in Cubase

[TVD]

OK, I misunderstood, thought you were saying it was easier in Cubase.

Carb.

Nothing is easier in Cubase

Well nothing is more difficult than Logic.

[TristezaOrange]

If FL was so good and can do anything every other software company can then why isn't everyone from pro's to beginners dumping their plugs, software, hardware, synths, whatever in order to use FL exclusively as their choice for releasing their creative energy? I tend to believe their is a reason for that and it's not only because of maintaining an image or loads of disposable income. Are you going to claim otherwise? Later.

There is indeed a reason for all this and it is this: people like you keep repeating this bullshit over and over again so that other people like you tend to believe them. Scientifically proven in the same laboratories that grant licences for describing a sequencer as pro.

[Lucky_1]

"mystical fantasy" ? just can't get over that name, reminds me of a cheap aftershave for porno stars.

I had a similar experience

anyway... Yep I like FL very much, did'nt have much time to play with v5 yet

Later