Sad state of Native Instruments

[jancivil]

first amp sim I used was Guitar Rig before they had a number appended to the name. My most comfortable live sound for a long time was an SG through a Fender Twin, an older model but this was a great combo. So the first patch I tried was a Fender Twin deal. I thought it was good, no es problemas. I was using one of those red boxes for input (took a minute to remember: LINE 6), had plenty of authentic noise.

The high-gain sims in there I had no use for, fizzy is the usual word for it.
Some yrs later I used a Fender out of the original Fender collection (probably wasn't called collection at the time) by IK for a solo that was you know, blues crunch a little bit but not super saturated.
It was time-consuming af. I find the IK Jimi Hendrix simulations pretty-good-to-great but the Fenders I would not say even competed with the Guitar Rig "1" thing I first used for that sound.
Eventually I wanted little else than a very saturated Marshall kind of a sound for a guitar lead (and was outsourcing "rhythm guitar"), so it was the AT JH virtually every time.
However I really liked to send Absynth to Guitar Rig inside Kore 2, and GR for other Kore setups and if ya look at it there's a fair bit that doesn't really fit the profile of guitar played through an amp in a room hardly at all.

I mainly upped to GR6 in order to have a few things in their FX line I never purchased, frankly, that and I don't want to get caught out with versions that ain't gwyne work on the Apple silicon System-On-Chip hardware. BTW, been using Absynth 5 happily on one under Sonoma Mac OS14 in Cubase 12 Pro Rosetta mode, works in C13 too.

I have a number of iZotope products from the fact that a few of them were freebies out of an audio interface by Presonus, then loyalty breaks on price (one or two were enormous breaks) and more stuff accrued. I use Neutron 3 all the time, on a wide variety of things. I don't know why I'd need Neutron 4 et al, I'm just not that kind of consumer, money burning a hole in my pocket looking for a reason.

[fmr]

I dislike the joint bundles as I already had izotope and PA stuff…I don’t want it again and get no discount for already owning it. I don’t have half the stuff that came with ultimate 12 installed, irs just too much and I never used most of it…just have the few things I use on my SSD. Still, I did upgrade to K7 today for 40 quid, not that I particularly wanted to, but at least I can update the sounpacks I do use now…

I'm in the exact same position. They seem to not consider the existing users of both.

[MitchK1989]

have they added MPE to massive X yet?

[osiris]

The weird thing. I was all ready to try and deal with the Native Access 2 but decided to re-download and re-install it. It worked. Then it says visit cyberdeals and I do and it all looks like giant samplers.

[Echoes in the Attic]

have they added MPE to massive X yet?

Hahaha ha that's a good one. I doubt NI have even heard of mpe. Massive X does not even allow automation of its parameters or work at all on a touch screens. It's unique in its pain in the assness.

[zerocrossing]

Amplitube with the Tonex add on beats the snot out of Guitar Rig.

If all you care about traditional guitar amp and effects sounds, you’re right, but if you’re looking for some unique but great sounding amp models and a modular effects system that beats the snot out of Amplitube with the Tonex add on, Guitar Rig 7 is an excellent choice.

[machinesworking]

Amplitube with the Tonex add on beats the snot out of Guitar Rig.

If all you care about traditional guitar amp and effects sounds, you’re right, but if you’re looking for some unique but great sounding amp models and a modular effects system that beats the snot out of Amplitube with the Tonex add on, Guitar Rig 7 is an excellent choice.

I used Guitar Rig for at least 15 years, it is pretty good, and the guitar synth isn't matched in Amplitube. But for "traditional" guitar sounds Amplitube is just more realistic sounding, especially with the Max and Tonex bundle. If you're using the plugin to make interesting noises with your guitar then both are great.

Side note, I played recently my friends custom built amp and cabinet. The shocking thing was how mediocre the distortion was, the clean sounds were great but for anything heavy I much prefer Amplitube. We're at the point to where there's hardly any golden unicorn in actual amps that "beat" Amplitube, or even Guitar Rig.

[zerocrossing]

Amplitube with the Tonex add on beats the snot out of Guitar Rig.

If all you care about traditional guitar amp and effects sounds, you’re right, but if you’re looking for some unique but great sounding amp models and a modular effects system that beats the snot out of Amplitube with the Tonex add on, Guitar Rig 7 is an excellent choice.

I used Guitar Rig for at least 15 years, it is pretty good, and the guitar synth isn't matched in Amplitube. But for "traditional" guitar sounds Amplitube is just more realistic sounding, especially with the Max and Tonex bundle. If you're using the plugin to make interesting noises with your guitar then both are great.

Side note, I played recently my friends custom built amp and cabinet. The shocking thing was how mediocre the distortion was, the clean sounds were great but for anything heavy I much prefer Amplitube. We're at the point to where there's hardly any golden unicorn in actual amps that "beat" Amplitube, or even Guitar Rig.

I totally agree. I always remind myself of a time I was shopping for an amp and one really stuck out as being far better than all the models I’d demoed, for clean and high gain sounds. When I got it home, I was surprised to find it didn’t contain a single tube. Solid state Ampeg. One of the best guitar amps I’ve ever used. It taught me a good lesson: don’t buy based on what’s inside, buy on what comes out.

[machinesworking]

I totally agree. I always remind myself of a time I was shopping for an amp and one really stuck out as being far better than all the models I’d demoed, for clean and high gain sounds. When I got it home, I was surprised to find it didn’t contain a single tube. Solid state Ampeg. One of the best guitar amps I’ve ever used. It taught me a good lesson: don’t buy based on what’s inside, buy on what comes out.

the only exception to me is a 1960's Marshall I owned. I had a 200 watt Marshall Major that I played with a JMP-1 for different tones etc. That thing was insane, but really really loud. Nothing quite like 4 65watt Celestians cranked to even halfway through a Marshall Major, JMP-1 and a 70's Gibson. Controlling feedback with it was lovely. The amp sims do OK, but for sheer brutality nothing beats that. I'm not paying what they go for these days though, doesn't sound 5 grand better than Guitar Rig etc.

[SLiC]

have they added MPE to massive X yet?

Hahaha ha that's a good one. I doubt NI have even heard of mpe. Massive X does not even allow automation of its parameters or work at all on a touch screens. It's unique in its pain in the assness.

Given NIs new sales model I would expect an update to MassiveX 2 for £90 to get a few GUI tweaks, a minor new feature no one asked for and a preset pack (and new presets only work with MassiveX 2 due to the minor new feature….helps with sales)

[digitalboytn]

have they added MPE to massive X yet?

Hahaha ha that's a good one. I doubt NI have even heard of mpe. Massive X does not even allow automation of its parameters or work at all on a touch screens. It's unique in its pain in the assness.

Of course NI have heard of MPE...

Maximize Profits Everytime

[digitalboytn]

DP...

[enCiphered]

Of course NI have heard of MPE...

Maximize Profits Everytime

Morally Peculiar Exploitation

[Echoes in the Attic]

have they added MPE to massive X yet?

Hahaha ha that's a good one. I doubt NI have even heard of mpe. Massive X does not even allow automation of its parameters or work at all on a touch screens. It's unique in its pain in the assness.

Of course NI have heard of MPE...

Maximize Profits Everytime

Mostly Producing Expansions

[DCrown]

Wikipedia says Native Instruments have about 500 employees, so just buy the expansions, it's the fastest way to make some money. Support them, NI have a lot of mouths to feed. If you liked NI in the past, keep on supporting them now and in future, it's a matter of morality and loyalty. Just buy their expansions. I never really liked NI a very lot, so I won't support them.